Comments on: The Quick & Easy Guide to Better HTML Search Engine Optimisation Ireland Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:03:56 +0100 hourly 1 By: TerryG Tue, 08 May 2007 13:28:54 +0000 Hi David, Yes I did exactly as you said. I put in a nice little css menu and it did reduce the size by 40%. Its made a huge difference and it looks a lot better and works well.

By: David Doran Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:19:28 +0000 The main thing you need to do Terry is get rid of font tags, inline style tags, tables and redundant code. I believe if you used a flexible CSS layout with compliant code you could reduce the page size by 30-40%.

By: TerryG Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:53:26 +0000 I have a large section on the left side of page that is the menu written in html. I have read it might be better to have a separate css file for this to load thus reducing the amount of html for the spiders to go through. One I don’t know how to do this and two do you think this is a better approach.

By: TerryG Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:47 +0000 I enjoyed this post. I learnt a lot from it. I use html tidy for a lot of my code. It always returns something to me that looks good and I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. My site is at if you want to look at the source. Thanks for a great page.

By: Paul Browne - Technology in Plain English Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:21:27 +0000 Don’t think you gave the url of the website to let people validate their own pages …

By: David Doran Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:14:37 +0000 Some great points here I think Richard.
It is terrible that people in the industry don’t really know where the industry is – or is going.

I think in part the problem is the search for the quick buck, or the big buck for that matter.
A company that can deliver a “working” site with a corporate front will get the contract over a clever, accessability-orientated company if they have some experience or an “Award” under their belt.

Maybe the problem is the same that exists in other industries – workers trying to hold on to the old ways – possibly reluctant or overwhelmed by the new information to adapt.

I’m possibly not the best person to give my opinion, considering that I have learned standards/CSS/PHP etc. just as they were coming into mainstream.

I had the advantage of not having previously ingrained ways to develop and code, which helped to adapt and learn with the new standards.

But hey, when it comes down to it the standards aren’t all that hard and if I can do it well then I’m sure anyone can – especially a commercial company.

So no excuses, and let’s hope that the awards will be different next year.


By: Richard Hearne Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:05:37 +0000 Hi Stewart

I feel your pain. I think the more obscure (and therefore less used) tags seem to be the ones that cause most issues.

You don’t see the use of LEGEND too often these days. I’ve seen a few nice CSS workarounds to get the same effect.

I think that we have to accept small rendering differences across browsers, but the upside is that it isn’t as bad as it was 4 or 5 years ago :grin:


By: Stewart Curry Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:47:14 +0000 Well said. I’ve been (doing my best to) build sites using standards for a few years now, and I’ve found a few nice benefits…

1) Bug fixing – if something is going wrong, making sure the code validates really helps find the issue or eliminate the code side of it from the problem
2) Multiple devices – my site works great on my mobile, my PSP, and my mac with no messing about or browser detection.
3) Speed of development – once you build up a nice bag of tricks, you can really improve your workflow. It’s a lot easier to re-use the menu methods in different sites if you’re using standards and seperating your content from presentation.

What really gets me pulling my hair out though is the little differences between the browsers – all of them. I’m still trying to find the best way to work around them all. I like the idea of having external files, but I find there can be subtle differences between IE6, 7, Opera, Safari & Firefox (e.g. legend tag), which can mean a lot of different external files. And I don’t want to go back to browser checking and alternate stylesheets.

By: Dave Davis Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:29:17 +0000 :) Ugghhh, reading over that I realize now why I don’t have my own blog!

By: Richard Hearne Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:09 +0000 Dave

Keep commenting – you have something good to say :grin:



By: Dave Davis Mon, 13 Nov 2006 02:04:21 +0000 Maybe I should start my own blog :)

By: Dave Davis Mon, 13 Nov 2006 02:03:59 +0000 “My own personal opinion is that those responsible for coding and designing websites need to take web standards more seriously.”

I fully agree, but clearly they don’t want to or NEED to. And did we ever even stop to ask do they even KNOW about them?

I am sure you will agree that the web design and development world has changed a lot in the last few years. A LOT. And it is still changing(Look at the proposed new directions/split (X)HTML is going in). I am starting to think that maybe, just maybe feel free to call me naive, SOME of these designers/developers don’t really know about standards and their importance.

I know you are going to quote me on the designers that quote themselves on compliance but I’m talking about the rest.

To be a decent web designer or developer in a REAL company and not little johnny sitting at home in his bedroom, you need to be VERY disciplined and very educated these days. In the past, you could open up frontpage and whip up a website in a few mins. Nowadays it’s different. The “NEW BREED” of designers and developers have not really hit the big time yet. When I say that…. I’m talking about major industry recognition to the point of a GS award. I personally studied web design, development and accessibility in college and not ONE of my classmates would even DARE produce something that’s non compliant or accessibly. Most people chose a final year project in the accessibility field.

I have a feeling that things are going to change. And VERY soon. Either the companies at fault are going to adapt to the upcoming, more educated clients or they will be replaced. It’s a fast paced market. Besides, all the money made from the publicity the GS awarded companies are getting will probably go into re-training their designers and developers anyway.

(Sorry, I started off with a one line response to MoJo but as usual, I got a bout of the verbal).

By: Mojo Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:14:11 +0000 Standards are the best thing to happen to web design and development since the birth of the browser, there’s on doubt about it. They give designers/coders a way of ensuring universality and are a great aid to accessibility. However, browsers and client technologies have a long way to go before universal standards compliance is seen as the norm. We’ve come a long way since the days of 18kb JavaScript browser detection scripts – but we’re still not out of the woods yet! IE needs to get its act together – either that or every web designer needs to boycott it. Compliant browsers need standardised ways of displaying page elements, particularly form elements (Opera, I’m looking at you – IE isn’t without fault either).

Until standards can be considered universal with regard to the client technologies that real-world users are using, then people will still use excuses for taking shortcuts.