Just a quick warning to let people know that the fine folk from Euro Business Guide are at it again.
I just received the old sign-up for their CD-ROM. They seem to be cutting down on costs though – I’ve received it previously in hard copy but today it was a beautiful PDF attachment to a very short but sweet email (maybe times are tough?):
Please print and fill the enclosed document and send it back to: Euro Business Guide, P.O. Box 2021, 3500GA UTRECHT, The Netherlands, updating is free of charge!If you want to unsubscribe send an email to ***
Please print and fill the enclosed document and send it back to: Euro Business Guide, P.O. Box 2021, 3500GA UTRECHT, The Netherlands, updating is free of charge!
If you want to unsubscribe send an email to ***
For anyone who might feel tempted here’s the fine print from the PDF:
I HEREBY ORDER A SUBSCRIPTION WITH SERVICE PROVIDER EU BUSINESS SERVICES LTD “EURO BUSINESS GUIDE”. I WILL HAVE AN INSERTION TO ITS DATA BASE FOR THREE YEARS. THE PRICE PER YEAR IS EURO 965. THE SUBSCRIPTION WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY EXTENDED EVERY YEAR FOR ANOTHER YEAR, UNLESS SPECIFIC WRITTEN NOTICE IS RECEIVED BY THE SERVICE PROVIDER OR THE SUBSCRIBER TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF THE SUBSCRIPTION.
Please take care and if you receive this just throw it in the bin.
The sad thing is that if they are still doing it, people are still buying into it.
Comment by Dave Davis — November 10, 2006 @ 5:11 am
It’s very similar to the DROA trick for domains. People don’t read the fine print….
Comment by Michele — November 12, 2006 @ 9:02 am
There is advice for any unfortunate who signs this in error and is then hassled for money on this webpage http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm
Comment by Jules — November 16, 2006 @ 11:28 pm
Looks like some interesting stuff on that page but I have to warn people that something on that page fired a shield on my PC. Nothing really bad, but I think there is something linked on that page that’s coming from a site that’s been naughty at some stage.
Thanks for the link
Comment by Richard Hearne — November 16, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
Hi Richard, It’s probably the tracker that fired your shield, however please post here if you get any more detailed info Jules
Comment by Jules — December 11, 2006 @ 8:29 pm
Yep – it was the tracker. Spysweeper doesn’t like that particular tracker for sure. I get it every now and again – always the same tracker site.
Comment by Richard Hearne — December 11, 2006 @ 8:32 pm
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These people are leaches. They use peoples fear to extract money from them. I will not pay them ,I would rather close the company down and open up in another name just to get out of there bullying contract. I have threatened them with the Spanish computor fraud squad. They still keep sending demands.They look official but they are all part and parcel of the same scam. These are con men. See what othe companies say about them. I am absolutly fuming with them. I want every one to know that they are thieves.
Comment by Martin Price — July 12, 2007 @ 8:06 am
I think I have been tricked, didn’t hear about this spam and I have accidently signed it, and they have sent me an Invoice much after 7 days asking for payment. So now they are sending me emails again and again for payment. Kindly suggest what am I suppose to do to get out of it? I would really appreciate if someone could guide me on how to get rid of them. Thanks a lot.
Comment by Hasina Habib — September 11, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Cant advise you Hasina
You should contact your local consumer affairs office (or local EU Consumer Affairs office if in EU).
I would imagine that they wont ever do anything more than hassle you via email/phone. If it were me I’d simply ignore the whole lot until I got solicitors letters. Even then I doubt any judge would find in their favour.
Comment by Richard Hearne — September 11, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Hi Hasina, My advice is that this company has taken no one to court, they threaten legal action but when people refuse to pay (and most refuse) they eventually give up.
write all the letters suggested on http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm Most importantly to your MEP
Print off all your correspondance with the guide and send it with each letter
Please also write to the EU comissioner asking that the Comission acts to stop all such contracts being mailed within the EU
Meglena Kuneva EUROPEAN COMMISSION DG Health and Consumer Protection B-1049 BRUSSELS Belgium
You can always post here for advice if you need.
Comment by Jules — September 11, 2007 @ 11:44 am
I have told them very politly to cancel my order. My site is not on there site and still they insist on payment. I have told them I would rather close the company down rather than pay them. They waste so much paper faxing sending letters. I will not pay them and advise all others ion the same situation not to pay them. There is enough on this website for any Judge to see that they are fraudulant. SO DO NOT PAY ANYTHING TO THEM:
Comment by Martin Price — September 24, 2007 @ 8:46 am
I have signed this “contract” too and I don’t know what to do, I have called them when I received the invoice in order to explain that it was a mistake… they tthreatened me!!! I don’t know what to do and I am not the owner of the company!! I have called to explain my position and they can use it to make me pression know. I don’t know if I have to say everything to my boss or to pay with my money.
Comment by Nicolas — October 22, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
I would respond to them and say you’ve forwarded all details to your lawyer. See how they respond to that.
I doubt they would even try to take anyone through the courts – I’m tempted to sign up just to see how things pan out.
Comment by Richard Hearne — October 24, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Hello! We are a spanish company and unfortunately singed the paper. Does anyone one any legal advice for Spain in that matter? Waht should we do? Thank you in advance!
Comment by ben — October 25, 2007 @ 7:26 am
I cant offer you advice – sorry.
If it was me I’d simply ignore them. I really doubt they ever take anyone to court – they simply try to scare people into paying.
Comment by Richard Hearne — October 25, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Unbelievable , I have just recieved there lastest mail out offering there non existant services. Dear ben Just ignore all correspondence. See my last post Comment by Martin Price — September 24, 2007 @ 8:46 am
. Take care and warn others of this bad bad company who threaten everyone.
Comment by Martin Price — October 29, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
We are a company in Georgia, and we also received the email and we signed the paper. Georgia is not in EU even, so what do you advise us?
Comment by NIno — November 30, 2007 @ 8:14 am
First thing is to contact your consumer agency in Georgia to seek advice. This is normally a government agency.
I cannot offer you advice, but if it was me I’d ignore them. Just dont pay regardless of what they threaten. I cannot see any Judge finding in their favour if they actually went to court.
I have also heard recently that they are now using a Dutch registered ‘Debt Collection’ agency, but I doubt this is any more than a front. Again ignore this bunch also.
It’s very sad that people people still try to make money like this, but quite disgusting that the authorities do nothing about it.
Best of luck Richard
Comment by Richard Hearne — November 30, 2007 @ 8:30 am
Hi Nino, there is no evidence that these people go to court, they are bullies who hope you will pay when threatened with legal action. They use a debt collection company, but whe we looked into that it appeared to ONLY collect debts for the one guide…Suspicious!
Most people contacted are not paying.
as you are outside the EU, please write to the Comissioner for Consumer protection voicing your concerns that such practices can be perpetrated from within the EU..
Comment by Jules — November 30, 2007 @ 9:43 am
They’re at it again – came into our company today only the price is gone up to 990 euros!! we get loads of these registration requests and we just bin them all – thank heavens for sites like red cardinal that do highlight such scams.
Comment by Joan — January 8, 2008 @ 11:45 am
UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE SIGNED THIS FORM ALSO. I AM ALSO TRAPPED BY THIS FRAUD COMPANY.I PANICED AT THE BEGINING . I SEND EMAILS & CALLED THEM BY PHONE TO ASK POLITELY TO CANCEL MY REGISTERY. BUT THEIR TALKING MANNER DO NOT CONTAIN ANY GOODWILL OR BUSINESS ETHICS.
THEIR UNETHIC WAY OF BUSINESS MAKING IS BY MISLEADING & MISSING INFORMATION ,WORD TRICKS , HIDDEN UNSEEN UNREMARKED COSTS WHICH LEADS YOU INTO THEIR TRAP.
SUCH KIND BUSINESS MAKING IS FORBIDDEN BY CONSUMER RIGHTS IN TURKEY .IMPORTANT POINTS SUCH AS SERVICE COST , SERVICE PERIOD ETC ETC. SHOULD HAVE TO BE MENTIONED IN BIG BOLD LETTERS IN A CONTRACT BESIDE TERMS & CONDITIONS.
THEIR ONLY AIM IS TO EXPLOIT THE VICTIM COMPANIES BY THIS FRAUD.
I IMMIDIATELY MADE RESEARCH IN INTERNET TO SEE ” AM I THE ONLY ONE ?” UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE FOUND THAT THIS FRAUD COMPANY IS CARYING THIS BUSINESS SINCE 1982. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OR COMPANY HAVE BEEN TRAPED BY THIS FRAUD COMPANY.
THIS FRAUDERS HAD TO MOVE THEIR OFFICES 2 TIMES , THEY HAVE BEEN EXPATRIATE OUT FROM UK & SPAIN BY COURT DECISSONS. ALSO E.U. TRADE FRAUD COMMISSION HAS TAKEN THIS FRAUD CASE TO THE COMMISION TO STOP THIS FRAUD COMPANIES ACTIONS.
I HAVE READ ALL ABOVE COMMENTS OF YOURS AND MANY OTHER DOCUMENTS & COMMONLY EVERYBODY SAYS ” DONT PAY THEM” & I WILL NOT PAY THEM ALSO .
IF THEY TOOK THIS CASE TO THE COURT ;JUST DOCUMENTS ON INTERNET IS ENOUGH FOR JUDGE TO GIVE DECISION IN FAVOR OF YOU. OF COURSE THIS IS MY PERSONAL COMMENT. SO DONT TAKE IT AS AN ADVICE CAUSE I AM NOT A LAWYER.
ANOTHER POINT IS I HAVE READ THAT MANY PEOPLE MADE THIS REGISTRY TO MAKE A FAVOR TO THEIR COMPANY. SO THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT ” SIGNING AUTHORITY” . THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT I THINK . YOU MAY STAMPED & SIGNED IT BUT :
” DO U HAVE SIGNING AUTHORITY ON CONTRACTS ?”
I THINK ONLY COMPANY OWNERS & 3RD PARTIES WHO ARE AUTHORIZED BY COMPANY OWNERS HAS LEGAL SIGNING AUTHORITY. SO IF YOU DONT HAVE SIGNING AUTHORITY TO REPRESENT YOUR COMPANY THAT CONTRACT ALSO DOESNT WORKS. CAUSE AGREEMENTS OR CONTRACTS SHOULD HAVE TO BE SIGNED BY AUTHORIZED PERSONS WHO HAS SIGNING AUTHORITY.
WHAT DO U THINK ; AM I RIGHT OR WRONG ??????
I WILL FIGHT AGAINST THIS FRAUDERS AS POSSIBLE AS I CAN
MY BEST REGARDS TO ALL
Comment by OSMAN — February 4, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
BELOW I HAVE ATTACHED HOLLANDS LEGAL & GOVERMENTAL AUTHORITIES FOR YOUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT EURO BUSINESS.
PSL SENT YOUR COMPALINTS TO EACH AUTHORITY 1 BY 1 & FOWARD THESE ADRESS TO ALL VICTIMS OF THIS [-----].
AS MANY COMPALINT WE SENT THEY WILL TAKE IT MORE SERIOUS
Amsterdam Chamber of Commerce Mantyu Pentermann Advison International Trade CCI Amsterdam Postbus 2852 1000 CW Amsterdam Tel: +31 0 20 531 4437 E-mail: email@example.com
Chamber of Commerce Rotterdam Kamer Van Koophandel Rotterdam C. Th. (Cor) Bekker Consultant International Business Blaak 40 P.O. Box 450, 3000 AL Rotterdam Tel: +31 10 402 7723 Mobile: +31 0 6 53 41 03 60 Fax: +31 10 414 5754 e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org Internet: http://www.kvk.nl
Chamber of Commerce Rotterdam Kamer Van Koophandel Rotterdam D.M.M. (Danielle) Bouwman (Advisor/ International Business) Blaak 40 P.O. Box 450, 3000 AL Rotterdam Tel: +31 10 402 7868 Fax: +31 10 414 5754 e-mail: email@example.com
Kamer Van Koophandel Veluwe En Twente Ton Kuijpers Consulent Internationale Handel Stationsstraat 80 Postbus 10282, 7301 GG Apeldoorn Tel: 055 579 6176 Fax: 055 579 6138 Mobile: 0653 86 80 70 E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
Chamber of Commerce and Industry Drenthe Kamer Van Koophandel Drenthe Ed Slagt (Senior Consultant International Trade) Stationsweg 66, P.O. Box 27 7940 AA Meppel Tel: +31 522 26 56 00 Fax. +31 522 26 13 51 E-mail: email@example.com Internet: http://www.meppel.kvk.nl
Kamer Van Koophandel Utrecht Remco De Bruijn (Ondernemersadviseur Internationale Handel) Kroonstraat 50 Postbus 48, 3500 AA Utrecht Tel.: 030 236 32 95 Fax: 030 231 28 04 E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org Internet: http://www.utrecht.kvk.nl
Kamer Van Koophandel Rivierenland Marcel Hoebink (Bedrijfsadviseur Internationale Handel) Laan Van Westroyen 4 Postbus 218, 4000 AE Tiel Tel.: 0344 63 77 61 Fax: 0344 63 77 01 E-mail: email@example.com
Kamer Van Koophandel Noordwest-Holland Michiel Ouwehand (Senior Consulent Bedrijfsvoering Internationale Handel) Comeniusstraat 10 Postbus 68, 1800 AB Alkmaar Tel.: 072 519 57 85 Fax: 072 519 57 47 Mobile: 06 520 713 60 E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
Kamer Van Koophandel Flevoland Maria Turkstra-Visser (Medewerker Internationale Handel) Het Ravelijn 1, Lelystad Tel.: 0320 28 62 16 Fax: 0320 22 25 43 E-mail: email@example.com http://www.flevoland.kvk.nl
Kamer Van Koophandel Haaglanden J. P. (Paulien) Dirkzwager (Consulente Internationale Handel) Koningskade 30 Postbus 29718, 2502 LS Den Haag Tel.: 070 70 328 72 21 Mobile: 06 22 937 235 Fax: 070 326 20 10 E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org www. denhaag.kvk.nl
Kamer Van Koophandel Haaglanden Jan Ter Haar (Vice President International Trade) 30 Koningskade P.O. Box 29718, 2502 LS The Hague Tel.: 070 70 328 72 18 Mobile: +31 187 61 90 60 Fax: 070 326 20 10 E-mail: email@example.com www. denhaag.kvk.nl
Kamer Van Koophandel Dost-Brabant Ad Van Abeelen (Consulent Internationale Handel) John F. Kennedylaan 2 Postbus 735, 5600 AS Eindhoven Tel.: 040 232 32 47 Fax: 040 232 36 22 E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
[Admin: edited out certain words to protect me from potential legal issues]
Comment by CHEATER BUSTER — February 5, 2008 @ 9:11 am
Ofcourse we are also victims of their scam!! We are a company in Greece, and they have been after us for the past 1 and 1/2 month!! Anyway i am happy that we are not alone… my question is that does anyone remember what the invoice number they received was?? Was it maybe no. 7674?? Anyway we are not going to pay them anything!!
Good luck to all of us! Elpida.
Comment by Elpida — February 6, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Hi, Would you to be so kind, answer me!
We did not sign this order, but put stamp. In my country stamp without signature has no validity, but EBG continue ask money.
Best regards, Lucy
Comment by Lucy. — February 12, 2008 @ 6:18 am
We again Received it today: what should we do?
Dear Mr/Ms Ia Tabagari,
Due to the fact that no proof of the payment has been made available to Eu Business Services Ltd so far, our Credit Department shall issue on Friday ( 15th of February 2008) the Notice towards your company. I have to underline the fact that ignoring the invoice no 8076 won’t make it go away. Only payment will. Thus, if the invoice no 8076 is not going to be paid as soon as possible, your file will be sent to a law firm as transfer of debt. In that moment, an additional legal fee in the amount of Eur 300, will be added to the amount already due. From that moment on, the lawyer will be dealing with the given situation. However, EU Business Services Ltd. would like to avoid the occurrence of this unpleasant situation and consequently we still hope that you will find a way to solve this matter in a forthcoming way.
I am looking forward for your reply in order to solve this matter in a forthcoming way.
Thank you for your time and cooperation.
Regards, Andreea Account Manager
Comment by Nino — February 12, 2008 @ 8:48 am
Hiya, It seems that they are still in operation, email them back asking them too remove you from all there sites as you are not paying and have no intention of paying.
Comment by Martin Price — February 12, 2008 @ 8:54 am
I’m sorry to hear that so many people are having to deal with the stress caused by this company and their actions.
I think that you should all send emails to each of the addresses given by Cheater Buster above. CC all the mail addresses on that list and require a return receipt with your mail.
Unfortunately there are many people who have no ethics in their business dealings. I only hope that when such companies finally are brought to justice that all the anxiety and stress they cause to so many innocent victims is considered and they are left to rot in jail. I doubt it will happen somehow, but I can always live in hope.
I really doubt this particular company will take anyone to court, they may threaten with legal letters (and I wonder if those legal firms may be breaching any laws in this regard?), but no court will uphold this I feel. That’s not legal advice mind.
Comment by Richard Hearne — February 12, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Hi, To all caught out by this company and by the sister Company EU Company Directory we have advice on how to complain on this page http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm
They use the ‘Debt colletors’ Waldberg & Hirsch. I put this in quotes because a Google search for Waldberg & Hirsch reveals that they appear to have no business other than collecting for these two ‘guides’
Please keep in contact through the links on the page and send us scans of any letters that do not match the pattern of harassment we describe.
And PLEASE do write all the suggested letters of complaint, only by putting pressure on the Authorities can we get this sort of shabby practise stopped.
THE GOOD NEWS: We now have a good network of people who have signed these documents in error, going back to September 2005. nearly all have refused to pay and no one has reported being taken to court. It appears these companies systematically intimidate people, adding interest and fees in the hope you will pay up out of fear, but if you stand up to the bullying, they go away
Comment by Jules — February 12, 2008 @ 9:57 am
DUE TO EBG FRAUD,AS I MENTIONED IN MY ABOVE COMMENTS ; I HAVE APPLIED ABOUT MY COMPALINT ABOUT EBG TO HOLLAND & TURKISH GOVERMENT. AND I HAVE RECEIVED REPLIES FROM MANY OF GOVERMENT AUTHORITIES.
I HAVE SENT MY COMPLAINT TO TURKISH LAHEY EMBASSY – COMMERCE ATTACHE. THEY REPLIED THAT ; THEY HAVE CONTACTED WITH URTRECH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE & LEARNED THAT THERE IS NO REGISTERED COMPANY UNDER ANY EBG NAME/NAMES . SO THEY ADVISED NOT TO MAKE ANY PAYMENT . AND SENT THIS LINK ” http://www.kvk.nl/regio/DenHaag/handelsregister/zoekenframeset.asp?url=https://server.db.kvk.nl/kr/public/klacht1.jsf ” THIS LINK IS ABOUT TO FULLFILL THIS FORM ABOUT MY COMPLAINT , BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS FORM IS IN DUTCH.
I HAVE SENT MY COMPLAINT TO DUTCH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE & THEY REPLIED THAT : We as Dutch Chambers of Commerce are often warning companies for this misconduct of business by other companies. We collect all complaints (so thank you again for youe e-mail) and confront, in case of more than 10 complaints, these companies and advise them to change their way of business and deal with all complaints.
I will forward you e-mail to my colleague, Mr. Joost van den Eerenbeemt, as he participates in our so called fraudeteam!
Marcel Hoebink ondernemersadviseur
Kamer van Koophandel Midden-Nederland Kroonstraat 50 Postbus 48, 3500 AA Utrecht —————————————————————————- T 0344- 637761 F 0344- 637701 email@example.com http://www.middennederland.kvk.nl
ALSO I HAVE SENT MY COMPLAINT TO ROTTERDAM CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE. THEY HAVE SENT ME “http://www.kvk.nl/veiligondernemen/010_Ongevraagde_advertentieverkoop/informatieoveradvertentieverkoop/default.asp” THIS LINK TO FULLFILL THIS FORM ABOUT MY COMPLAINT , BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS FORM IS IN DUTCH.
AS A CONCLUSION IN ORDER TO PUT PRESSURE ON DUTCH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE , ALL EBG VICTIMS SHOULD HAVE TO SEND COMPALINT EMAILS OR FILL ABOVE FORMS TO MAKE DUTCH CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE FOCUS ON THIS PROBLEM SERIOUSLY.
Comment by CHEATER BUSTER — February 12, 2008 @ 1:12 pm
My reply to their demand:
Dear complete and utter loser
Do you seriously think for one minute I’m going to pay you?
If you think this is the case then please feel free to continue emailing me and I will continue to send abusive emails. Personally I find this whole episode quite entertaining and look forward to receiving your next threat.
If, Ramona, you are actually a real person, which I doubt, I would seriously look at getting a new job because your current one sucks.
If you decide to employ the services of your affiliate company and debt collectors Waldberg & Hirsch who clearly only work for your company then please do so. I would love to see them turn up at my premises asking for payment as shortly afterwards the Guardia Civil will also be in attendance, although that would depend on whether or not I’ve spooned their eyes out before hand .
I´m funny aren’t I, which is not something we can say about your company.
Now please do one you crook.
Lots of love hugs and kisses.
Mr I don’t give a monkeys chuff what I owe you, you aren’t getting it.
Comment by Colin — February 22, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
I too recently received an email with a PDF attachment from this unscrupulous company. I had my suspicions after reading the short email and then the small print on the form. I then checked them out on the internet, where I saw various comments including yours about their dealings and how they are conning many innocent people.
Thank you so much for your warning and for the information. I will pass it on to all of my friends and colleagues in business.
Comment by Denise Pick — February 25, 2008 @ 9:10 am
This is the reply I received and my reply to this:
The only thing funny is your signature and company seal on our order form.
Ramona Dzitac Account Manager
EU Business Services Ltd. P.O. Box 2021, 3500 GA Utrecht, The Netherlands Tel: +31 203 120477 Fax: +31 205 248107 Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Well, I find it really really funny so I will see you in court.
When we do get our day in court all the other people you have tried to rip off will rest a bit easier when I announce that you’ve lost and you have no grounds to demand anything from me or anyone else.
I look forward to receiving your next comical email, along with a demand for payment, advice on when the court date will be and any other gestures you can throw in just for good measure.
Lots of love, hugs and kisses.
Comment by Colin — February 25, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
We will keep you informed.
Was that it?
I was looking forward to a bit more than that.
Would please be so kind and advise me with regard to your expectations?
Please see: ” was looking forward to a bit more than that.”
A court summons would have been nice.
After the Transfer of Debt will have been performed, I will no longer be handling your case.
But you should be by now in possession of the Reminder for it was sent towards you on 22nd of February 2008.
No written reminder has been received.
I look forward to receiving it and shredding said reminder.
That too representas an option, but not the best one, obviously.
They don’t seem to have much in the way of a sense of humour do they?
Comment by Colin — February 27, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
I have received letter from Waldberg&Hirsch Global Collections, letter contents: It has been brought to our attention the agreement …. between your company and my client……. Our company did not sign this order only put stamp, stamp without signature has no validity, usually if something is not correctly, other company will make inquiry to confirm order, but EBG is not normal company. We will not to pay, I don”t know,I sent claims to everywhere, may be Waldberg /Hirsch use any special legislation!!!! If somebody has experience with Waldberg & Hirsch Glob-Coll, still waiting comments!
Comment by Lucy. — February 28, 2008 @ 9:39 am
Unfortunately, i have mislooked the small prints too. I was terrified upon receiving the invoice. And too was threatened that I have to pay for the order.
The person i spoke to was very rude and after a week she sent me an email to ask for payment.
I do not wish to pay as it is not what we intented.
I am wondering what actions would she take next.
Comment by lingling — March 4, 2008 @ 6:25 am
I cant offer you legal advice, but if I were sitting in Singapore now I would simply ignore this, and laugh very hard when you have contact from the so-called ‘debt collectors’.
I do hope that the law catches up with these guys some day…
Main thing – I would not worry unduly.
PS – if you are very concerned then I would get in touch with your local government consumer advocacy body. I’m sure there’s got to be one in Singapore.
Comment by Richard Hearne — March 4, 2008 @ 8:44 am
Dear lingling, I was unaware of this guide operating outside Europe. Please could you send me a scan of the misleading contract + copies of their emails. email@example.com Thanks, Jules
Comment by Jules — March 4, 2008 @ 8:48 am
Basically it is the same contract as above. And the lady explain why the contract is in order.
I feel that they are really out to trap people in this situation. I wonder if there are company which really wants this insertion, or people who paid are those who fell into their trap.
Comment by lingling — March 5, 2008 @ 1:21 am
To my surprise, there are actually more company added to their so called guide today.
I check on the guide yesterday, there was only 3 companies, but not there are 7 companies.
I am getting worried that more people will get into this.
Comment by lingling — March 5, 2008 @ 1:30 am
Hi Lingling i think you are talking about a different guide… Please post a link to their website here Thanks! J
Comment by Jules — March 5, 2008 @ 1:34 am
Thanks Jules for your quick reply
The link is: http://www.eurobusinessguide.net
I supposed it’s the same guide.
Comment by lingling — March 5, 2008 @ 2:54 am
Hi LingLing Thanks For the link
You could help the other companies in Singapore by contacting them and letting them know what we have learned in Europe
* That most (if not all) people sign these forms in error * That Euro Business Guide does not go to Court when people refuse to Pay * That we can find no evidence that debt Collectors Waldberg And Hersch do anything other than collect for these suspect companies
I do find their website amusing It states
“Looking for a company within the EURO zone ? EURO Business guide is providing you with a large database of European companies. Start searching our database by using the form bellow.” (Their typos, not mine)
Yet the drop down menu lists all these countries!
Albania Algeria Andorra Angola Argentina Australia Austria Bangladesh Belgium Bermuda Bosnia And Herzegovina Bulgaria Chile China Costa Rica Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Ecuador Egypt England Estonia Faroe Islands Finland France Georgia Germany Ghana Gibraltar Greece Hong Kong Hungary Iceland India Indonesia Iran Ireland Isle Of Man Israel Italy Jamaica Japan Jordan Korea Kosovo Kuwait Latvia Lebanon Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Macau Macedonia Malaysia Malta Mexic Montenegro Morocco Myanmar Nepal Netherlands North Cyprus Northern Ireland Norway Pakistan Panama Papua New Guinea Peru Poland Portugal Puerto Rico Republic Of Moldova Republic San Marino Russia Scotland Scotland, Uk Serbia Singapore Slovakia Slovenia Solomon Islands South Africa South Korea Spain Sudan Sultanate Of Oman Sweden Switzerland Syria Taiwan Tanzania The Channel Islands The Faroe Islands Togo Trinidad And Tobago Tunisia Turkey Ukraine United Arab Emirates United Kingdom Uruguay Venezuela Vietnam Zambia
Comment by Jules — March 5, 2008 @ 9:48 am
Dear friens, Before one year i received a form from Euro Business Guide- i saw all for free and i signed and stamped the order. From that day i received maybe 50 letters from them- pay your invoice and etc. Today i received a letter from Waldeberg abd Hirsch Global Collections Ltd. I intend not to pay. Please someone who have more experience to write.
Comment by Hristiana — March 26, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
Ì cant give any legal advice – sorry.
However if I received a letter from Hirsch Global Collections Ltd I would frame it. I think some day people might pay money to have one of those as a keep sake. I certainly wouldn’t be in any way concerned by it however.
Comment by Richard Hearne — March 26, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
It seams that somebody did something their DNS does not exist any more so their website do not work and they cannot receive or send emails
Comment by Paul — April 9, 2008 @ 9:01 am
i am still a victim of ebg
but today i saw a information
[whois.enom.com] =-=-=-= Visit AboutUs.org for more information about eurobusinessguide.net AboutUs: eurobusinessguide.net
Registration Service Provided By: Domains.com Limited Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org
Domain name: eurobusinessguide.net
Administrative Contact: eu business services eu business services limited (email@example.com) +1.31203120477 Fax: fax henville building, saint kits and nevis charlestown, NE 10000 KN
Technical Contact: eu business services eu business services limited (firstname.lastname@example.org) +1.31203120477 Fax: fax henville building, saint kits and nevis charlestown, NE 10000 KN
Registrant Contact: eu business services eu business services limited (email@example.com) +1.31203120477 Fax: fax henville building, saint kits and nevis charlestown, NE 10000 KN
Name Servers: ns.rohost.com ns2.rohost.com ns3.rohost.com ns4.rohost.com
Creation date: 17 Sep 2006 09:51:25 Expiration date: 17 Sep 2008 09:51:25
i think it is a good news
Comment by yunus — April 10, 2008 @ 10:50 am
See what I have received today. I think to answer them just FUCK YOU. These busterds continue to work Euro Company Registration Dear Sirs,
If you like to have your company registered in the registry of European companies for 2008/2009;
Please print out the enclosed form (PDF file), fill it and send it back to:
Euro Business Guide P.O. Box 2021 3500 GA UTRECHT The Netherlands
Updating is free of charge!!
If you want to unsubscribe send an email to firstname.lastname@example.org. I received this from e-mai: Euro Company Registration Regards, Hristiana
Comment by Hristiana — April 16, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
I am the marketing manager of few companies in Bulgaria. I received this FREE form, and got the owner to sing it. As I am the only person to speak english, the boss believes in me. Unfortunatelly, I stamped it also, and sent. After few weeks got the invoices (2 – one for each company). Immediatelly I sent it back with the copies, but sincve then I continue to get letters, faxes, emails… Today they even called me and asked to pay. They: “We are expecting your payment” Me: “I am expecting a decision of European Commission which I contacted to complain from you”. They: “Have a nice day” Me: “You too!”
Well, to be honest, I still haven’t wrote to the Commission, but it can be done. And also -I am only an employee and have a little bit of worry if we have to pay them.
Today I also sent them letter I got from http://www.stopecg.org/#act on behalf of our two companies. I told the boss I don’t want to pay.
Please, advice me! email@example.com
Comment by Neli — April 24, 2008 @ 11:07 am
I cant offer any legal advice I’m afraid.
I can say that if I were receiving letters from them I would probably use them to light my fire on cold evenings.
I would simply ignore them, ignore their so-called ‘debt collection’ agency, and not lose any sleep. They will only cease to exist if people absolutely ignore all requests for payment. As long as people do pay they will keep sending out their deceptive letters.
Best rgds Richard
Comment by Richard Hearne — April 24, 2008 @ 11:21 am
Richard is right, as far as we know This company has never to court over the alleged debts.
stopecg would like them to go to court so we can expose our concerns about the form before a judge, we are waiting, in the menatime if you dispute the contract, simply don’t pay, without court action they are powerless to make you pay J
Comment by Jules — April 24, 2008 @ 11:32 am
Dear all, Looks like we share something together. “Džemal Bijedić” University of Mostar, Bosnia and Herzegovina has the same problem. We signed their request, not knowing about amount of money that we need to pay.
Institutions of higer education in Bosnia are wery poor, and if we need to pay our novice no.: 9658 (1.124 Euros)it would be almost fatal for our institution. Bosnia and Herzegovina is non-EU country ofcourse.
So we decide not to pay.
This is our letter to them: In accordance with our previous correspondence, as the Rector of “Džemal Bijedić” University of Mostar, I would like to cancel all agreements and other arrangements between “Džemal Bijedić” University of Mostar and European Business Services Ltd., if there was any.
We will not meet a requirement for payment and other requests from you, including Novice No.:9658.
We will contact our and yours authorities: Consumer Agency in Bosnia and Herzegovina and our local government consumer advocacy bodies, Rectors Conference of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Chamber of Commerce in: Amsterdam and in Rotterdam, Chamber of Commerce and Industry Drenthe, and ofcourse European Commission Office in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
I find that services you provide have never been useful for our institution, and that this way of business is scam for honest companies and institutions.
I mus admit that we are a bit scared about their possibilities, because we are not avare of them.
Comment by Alim — April 28, 2008 @ 9:45 am
I am another victim of them. The same as others I didnot pay attention on their tiny letters asking 990Euro (begining of February 2008), thought on something free & sign & stamp their paper. I am a beekeeper not a bussinesman
Their first e-mail traping me:
If you like to have your company registered in the registry of European companies for 2008;
If you want to unsubscribe send an email to firstname.lastname@example.org.””
They have sent me a bill many days later, I was surprised that their “service” cost 990Eu. I THOUGHT IN A FREE SERVICE. I send them at once an e-mail canceling everything. No reply on my first one, no reply in my second, no reply in my third e-mail. Some days later they sent me an e-mail: I thought they work normal but the answer was:
“”Dear Mr Jim Batsis,
I am writing on behalf of EU Business Services Ltd.
I have to inform you that today- the 17th of March 2008- is the due date for the invoice no. 10733 and so far no payment has reached our bank account. Would you be so kind and inform me regarding the status of the payment for the above mentioned invoice?
Account Manager Cristina Goroholinschi
EU Business Services Ltd. Tel: 0031 203 120 477 Fax:0031 205 248 107 email@example.com“”
I tried again with e-mails to explain that I was traped I was never going to enter on their “service” with that cost. They seem that do not understand their e-mail answer:
I am writing on behalf of EU Business Services Ltd.
Referring to your mail, I would like to explain to you the fact that on the 11th of February 2008 you put your legal signature and company stamp on our order and , therefore, ordered our services for 3 years and agreed to pay EURO 990 for each year of insertion into our data base.On the basis of your order, the invoice no. 10733 was issued towards your company.
Would you be so kind and look over the signed order and you shall see that the price is just 3 rows above your signature/company stamp:” The price per year is EURO 990.”
Updating is indeed free of charge but it is a service we provide to the clients that we already have into our data base, in case they want to add or modify anything.To place an insertion is not free of charge, it costs EURO 990 for one year of insertion and the contract you made with us is for 3 years.
On the order is clearly stated:”Only sign in if you want to place an insertion”.
According to Terms & Conditions for insertion: ” By sending his/her order, the subscriber accepts these terms, unless he/she send a cancellation within a period of seven days after the date of signing/stamping the order note, after which THE CONTRACT comes into force.” As you can see, we do have a contract that is legally signed. We also gave you the legal possibility to cancel it in full, but this thing did not happen.At this point we can offer you a cancellation only for the second and third year of contract as soon as the invoice for the first year of insertion is paid.As soon as the payment reaches our bank account, The Credit Department will issue towards your company the Cancellation Note for the second and third year of contract and will consider this matter fully paid and closed.
Please reconsider the situation and get back to me in order to solve this matter in a forthcoming way.
I am waiting for your answer as soon as possible.
EU Business Services Ltd.
Tel: 0031 203 120 477
Fax:0031 205 248 107
I have made another try to make them understand that I was inducted from their first e-mail(I receive it 2-3 times until I sign it) their behavior didnot change. I new nothing about them until that time later I discovered this web page.
Their next e-mail:
“”Dear Sir, I am writing on behalf of EU Business Services Ltd.
As I have already explained to you, at this point we have a contract for 3 years and it cannot be cancelled in full. We can only cancel the second and third year of insertion, provided you make the payment for the first year. Please reconsider the situation and get back to me in order to solve this matter in a forthcoming way.
Again my e-mail did nothing than their next e-mail:
I am writing on behalf of EU Business Services Ltd.
Due to the fact that still no payment or proof of payment was made available for EU Business Services Ltd., our Credit Department will issue on the 4th of April 2008 the Reminder for the invoice no. 10733.
I make use of the opportunity to announce you that, if you still continue to delay the payment after this Reminder comes into force, the Credit Department will issue the Second Reminder.
Along with the Second Reminder, extra fees will be added to your invoice such as: · Euro 99- Late Payment Fee and · Euro 35- Administration Fee, the amount to be paid reaching EURO 1124.
Would you be so kind and look over the order and you shall see that the price is just 3 rows above your signature :”The price per year is EURO 990.”
I have to draw your attention upon the fact that we do have a contract .According to Terms & Conditions for insertion: ” By sending his/her order, the subscriber accepts these terms, unless he/she send a cancellation within a period of seven days after the date of signing/stamping the order note, after which THE CONTRACT comes into force.” So, we do have a contract . We also gave you the legal possibility to cancel it in full, but this thing did not happen.
Contract duration is 3 years but the price for an insertion is for one year. We can cancel the order for the following 2 years, provided you make the payment for the 1st year’s subscription
Please reconsider the situation and get back to me as soon as possible in order to solve this matter in a forthcoming way.
EU Business Services Ltd. Tel: 0031 203 120 477 Fax:0031 205 248 107″”
At this point I ignore them. They send me by post their “1st reminder” All papers they send me until now I return them with letters I just keep copies.
few days ago I receive their last e-mail until now:
Due to the fact that still no payment or proof of payment was made available for EU Business Services Ltd., our Credit Department will issue on the 25th of April 2008 the Second Reminder for the invoice no. 10733.
However, if you manage to make the payment by the time this new reminder comes into force, the extra fees will no longer be taken into consideration!
I make use of the opportunity to announce you that, if you continue to delay the payment for the above mentioned invoice, your file will be forwarded to our legal solicitor along with EURO 300- Legal Fee.
Please contact me as soon as possible in order to solve this matter in a forthcoming way.
Ms Cristina Goroholinschi
EU Business Services Ltd. Tel: 0031 203 120 477 Fax:0031 205 248 107
After this one I searched & found this web page & learned some things about them & about what to expect from them next.
I have sent an e-mail about this problem in the Euro parliament. This is the only act that I have made until now.
Is there any suggestion? What do you think should I continue to ignore them.
Its in my intentions to answer them that I have made all acts nessesary to solve my problems with you(them) according to this web page http://www….
what do you think Jim Batsis Greece
Comment by Jim Batsis — April 29, 2008 @ 7:57 pm
I cant give any legal advice, but as I mention over and again it I were being pursued by these guys I’d try to have as much fun as possible. The one thing that I would not do is pay them one cent. Not them or their ‘debt collection agency’.
The only reason they still exist is that unfirtunate folk who fall for their form then pay. If no one paid they would very quickly disappear.
DO NOT PAY!
Comment by Richard Hearne — April 29, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
Hello all again!
I wrote to the European Parliament (as Bulgaria is in the EU), and today got theis answer, confirming:
“There is a petition regards this matter and your letter will be attached in this petition”.
Well, to be honest – having this from such an institution calms me down and really relaxes my sleep.
You all can also try to write there. Maybe at least we will save somebody else from this trap.
I WILL NOT PAY!
Comment by Neli — April 30, 2008 @ 8:39 am
We are ther’s victums like you, There is no space for panic, I thnik that they have tactic ’1 of 100′. Somebody will pay us
Best Regards from Serbia
Comment by Davorin Randjelovic — May 5, 2008 @ 11:00 am
It a Scam company I have emailed a Barrister of law in Nevis – West Indies to police this company & await his reply, his Email is – firstname.lastname@example.org
+ Pls write & email the list of person responsible in Europe as below.
Due to the ambuiguity in the original Email – as advertised as free, they have no grounds, When I have a reply from the scores of Emails I have sent to all european departments I will update all.
Comment by Garry D. Williams — May 9, 2008 @ 7:08 pm
This morning their Mails also arrived in Austria. Seems that none of their contracts is valid as the language is english. Anyway – I have Trackbacked this Feed to force information on people which do wrong things. Michael
Comment by Michael — May 11, 2008 @ 9:24 am
We are a company in Greece and we also singed the form. We have been receiving REMINDERS ever since. We will not pay and we will definetly send a letter to them as well as to the authorities.
Comment by Zoe — May 27, 2008 @ 5:58 am
Hi all, I am in izmir, Turkey. i signed and stamped this pdf document and sent by private courier one week ago. it was the courier company that warned me that there is something strange about this company. then, involuntarly i wrote the address of this company on google and yess, i found your comments!! then i called my courier company and i told them that i want my mail back immediately. i was about to fall in this trap unless i had read your comments. thank you all.
ps. by the way, i am the owner of this company, so the signature and stamp might be binding.
From now on, i will be more careful.
Comment by sule kalmis — June 10, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
We are a company in Vietnam and we are their victim too After receiving their email about the payment, I reported it to our boss and the company layer. They asked us to ignore all their following mails. We will not pay them any cent!
Thank you everyone for sharing this experience! Mai
Comment by Mai Nguyen — June 18, 2008 @ 7:23 am
Guys, You needn’t worry at all! EBG is a ghost company and Waldberg&Hirsch are NOT registered in the Netherlands!! I won’t bother you with explanations but these informations are verified in Amsterdam through KvK. Stay serene and feel free to joke with scumbags! Regards from Belgrade!
Comment by Nenad — June 20, 2008 @ 8:08 am
why dont you approve my comment??!! anyway, good luck with your works :))
Comment by sule kalmis — June 26, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
@Sule – Sorry about that, not been paying as much attention as I should here.
@All – thanks for commenting. The best advice you can take away is to simply ignore both EBG and their ‘Debt Collection Agency’ sister company. If everyone simply does this they will find it more and more difficult to survive.
Comment by Richard Hearne — June 29, 2008 @ 6:45 am
HI ALL, I AM “CHEATER BUSTER” THE GUY WHO HAD INFORMED YOU HOLLAND AUTHORITIES CONTACTS TO MAKE YOUR COMPLAINTS. YOU CAN SEE MY PREVIOUS POSTINGS ABOVE…
THESE CHEATERS ARE REALLY UNBELIVEABLELY SELF CONFIDENT !!! IN THE PAST MONTHS THEY HAVE RECEIVED MANY MAILS FOR PAYMENT I HAVE ONLY WROTE 1 REPLY TO THEM AND TOLD THEM THAT I HAVE MAKE ALL LEGAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEIR COMPANY TO DUCTH AUTOHIRITIES. THEIR REPLY IS “IT IS NONSENSE BECAUSE THEY ARE CARRYING THIS WEB FRUD BUSINESS OVER CHARLESTOWN NEVIS, NOT THRU HOLLAND “. AS A RESULT THEY MEAN THAT YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO US …..
I AM ALSO RECEIVING POSTS FROM Waldberg&Hirsch Global Collections .
BUT NONSENSE :)))
THEY CAN DO NOTHING ALSO
DEAR SULE YOU ARE REALLY LUCKY ….
I AM IN TURKEY ALSO BUT UNFORTUNATELY I AM TRAPED BY THIS FRAUD COMPANY. BUT I AM LUCKY CAUSE I DONT HAVE SIGNING AUTOHORITY SO THAT CONTRACT WHICH IS IN THEIR HAND IS JUST A TRASH …..
BUT I AM DOING EVERYTHING AGAISNT THESE CHEATERS….. I ALSO MAKE COMPLAINTS TO TURKISH LEGAL AUTOHORITES, FORGEIN TRADE OFFICE OF MINISTRY,IGEME ETC ETC & ALSO ALL DUTCH AUTOHIRITES……
ANYONE WHO CAN READ THESE ” DO NOT PAY THEM EVEN 1CENT”
NOR I AM NOT PAYING
THESE CHEATERS HAVE BEEN MOVING ONE COUNTRY TO OTHER DUE TO COURT DECISIONS IN WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY & PUNISHED TO PAY PENALTIES SUCH AS IN SPAIN ….
WITH BEST REGARDS
Comment by CHEATER BUSTER — June 30, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Hi All, I have good news, the Dutch authorites are apparently taking a second look at this issue. It appears they initially felt that because the Utrecht address was only a mail drop they could not act.
For that reason persons in dispute with tis comapny should file all the complaints suggested above, they are also listed on http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm
In addition EU Citizens should contact their MEP http://www.europarl.eu.int/
The main thing to remember is that this lot do not go to court, they can threaten and bluster all they like but they can do absolutely nothing to you, and if they ever do go to court there are a lot of people looking forward to exposing them J
Comment by Jules — June 30, 2008 @ 11:02 am
That’s great news Jules
Thanks for dropping by to let everyone know.
Comment by Richard Hearne — June 30, 2008 @ 11:29 am
I have now contacted our man in Brussels to let him know that we need more then just rules – we need the authorities to bounce spammers and burglars. One of us does not have the chance to hurt spammers – but the government would … Michael
Comment by Michael — June 30, 2008 @ 11:41 am
You are welcome Richard we are all busy. but i am surprised to see my second comment :))))
CHEATER BUSTER, it seems you are one of those who tries to solve problems even though they are not really involved :)) as you say, your signature is not binding and they cannot do anything to you. Do you still have worries??
Comment by sule kalmis — June 30, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
I’m from the Philippines, and yes, I have been scammed too. I sent a signed form to World Business Directories thinking I would get a free listing, but lo and behold, I receive an invoice for GBP 740, which is 66,000 pesos in our currency and an amount my small company cannot afford. I check the form and right there is font size 2 is the details of my so-called “order”. I tried to cancel the contract but they say there’s no way out (because I didn’t cancel in 7 days) and that they would send a debt management and collection company. I almost gave in, but its a good thing I found your site and others; I am not alone…this has been going on for quite a while. I sure hope others aren’t duped by this…let’s spread the word!
Comment by Christine — July 22, 2008 @ 5:34 pm
Hi Christine, world Business directory is part of the same group
as EU Company Directory, Euro Business Guide and European Business Connection
See http://www.stopecg.org/world_business_directory.htm for advice on who to write letters of complaint to
The owner of these guides sets up PO boxes in different countries and then mails the forms over international borders. Taken individually you might give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that the mailing of such forms was an accident, but when you see the pattern of company after company, mailing the same forms even though he knows full well that people sign in error you cannot really doubt that this is done with the intent to decieve.
In additition to writing letters of complaint to the British Authorties and those in Nevis please contact the EU Comissioner
I reccomend doing this in writing
Please CC to
Simon Busuttil MEP, Altiero Spinelli, 09E210, 60 rue Wiertz, B-1047, Brussels, Belgium
The advice to contact the EU applies to victims of ALL the companies listed above.
Now for the good news, your form is, it claims, governed by British Law, Oh how I would love him to try and enforce one of these contracts in a British court! we would have a field day ;-). J
Comment by Jules — July 22, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
Jesteśy firmą komputerową z Polski, która ma podobne problemy z tym nieuczciwym kontrahentem. Prosimy o kontakt z nami firmy z Polski. Zamierzamy walczyć z nieuczciwością.
We are the company from Poland, who have suffered from Euro Business Guide. Please feel free to contact with us and talk how to solve the problem. They always send us a load of e-mails about money to pay. We are not going to pay.
Comment by Slawek Sz. — July 25, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
Hello, Hungarian company, also scamed – two weeks ago. I am in the “first” steps: wrote them mail that I do not pay for this, as it was a trick. They have already answered and asked me to pay. I am going to read all Your comments but as far as I see, noone had legal problems so far by not paying … Is it right? Gabor
Comment by Gabor — July 29, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
@Gabor – I think that’s a farily accurate observation.
The only thing that will stop this company is nobody actually payong. And take no notice of their ‘debt collection agency’. Another front.
Comment by Richard Hearne — July 29, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
I am also a victim of this so called Eurodirectory. In June 2008 when I recieved their invoice I got in tel contact with them, some Miss Andreea Account Manager, on behalf of Eu Business Services Ltd answered, and did me the favor to pay the ammount in three installments. So far I didn’t know that they were a scam company. When I got into my bank account to transfer the 1st installment to their account, it turned to be a non ecxisting account and also their SWIFT CODE was wrong. A further examination of their “invoice” showed that no VAT No was written on it, since every invoice I get from other companies in EU have their VAT No written on it. I tried to contact by telephone to this company to ask for details, nobody answered. They didn’t reply to my e-mails also. Later lookin for details for this company (something I sould have done before all this began), I stepped in your site and I desided not to pay them a penny. It’s been now more than a week I sould have payed the money and nobody disturbed me. From what I read here it looks like it will take years to clear this up.
Regards Argiris Greece
Comment by Argiris — August 2, 2008 @ 6:55 am
The Stop ECG.org website suspects that EU Business Services Ltd has a back office in Romania. I googled the name of the account manager who’s been sending me e-mails about paying, a certain Ms. Carmen Ispas, and guess where she’s from? Romania! Coincidence?
Comment by Christine — August 8, 2008 @ 2:38 pm
They are still at it, contacting new companies. I received their email today and I am so pleased that checked up before doing anything and I found this website to realise that it is a scam. Many thanks for its set-up to warn us all. I hope others see it first before signing their official looking form. Small companies have enough to cope with without having to worry and have threats of this kind as well.
Comment by Ann Marie — September 10, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
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Comment by José A. — September 15, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
We just receive this today;
I am writing on behalf of EU Business Services Ltd. Please inform me about the status of the payment for the invoice no 14926, issued for the insertion into +www.eurobusinessguide.net you ordered.
I make use of this opportunity to inform you that our Credit Department will issue the Second Reminder for the outstanding invoice no 14926 this Friday, on the 19th of September. The Second Reminder will increase the actual amount with late payment and administration fees (the amount of the invoice will be EUR 1124,-).
Andreea Account Manager
EU Business Services Ltd. Call center: 0031 203 120 477 Fax: 0031 205 248 107 email@example.com
Comment by José A. — September 15, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
We are another company (spanish) scammed by the Eu guide. Thanks to all your comments it comes into light the nature of their organization. As we desagree with the attention and services recieved, and after reading about your experiencies, we have NO intention to pay and help this little pest grow.
To ignore them and inform the legal authorities seems to be the best medicine.
Check also the following links: http://www.redcardinal.ie/security/26-06-2007/euro-business-guide-scam/ http://www.stopecg.org/
Y en español: http://www.artmarketing.es/blog/?p=85
Comment by Oscar — September 16, 2008 @ 10:30 am
Hi , I am having the same problem three months now. I was misled as well from EU Company directory/ EU Business Services Ltd. They were not answering my e-mails when I tried to explain that there was a misunderstanding. I received the invoice a month later, so I did not to have the opportunity to cancel their services without no complications. I still do not pay any money and I think not to. They are keep going to send letters but I just not answer. I was threaten and I was really scared what will happend. But now I am reading all your comments and fell relief that probably nothing bad will happend. Thank you so much.
Comment by Ive — October 20, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
Well people, here is the rest of my adventure. I tried a couple of times to send e-mails to EU Company directory especially to someone Miss Andreea, claimed to be the Account Manager of this company, asking them for their real account No and BIC, since my bank could not find such an account as their’s, but there was no answer. Instead I received another invoice for the money I didn’t pay, with the declaration that the claim will be transfered to the
” Waldberg & Hirsch Global Collections Ltd. Hoogoorddreef 9, 11 BA Amsterdam Zuid-Oost, The Netherlands”
Has anybody heard anything about this collection company ever? This thing is getting really on my nerves. Isn’t there a way to stop this fraud once an for all???
Comment by Argiris — October 29, 2008 @ 8:32 am
I was scammed too. I signed and stamped their misleading form. I’ve sent e-mails to the European parliament , the Greek Parliament, political parties and media (TV channels and newspapers). though I haven’t taken an answer from anyone I don’t intend to pay now that I found this site. But there are many who have already paid. I tried to unite all the greek scammed companies by sending e-mails and there are about 10 businesses in greece. some of them have paid some others don’t intend to. the only way out as I see it is to back each other up even if it means we have to testify in any court. if we are all together no-one can extort us. thanks spiros greece firstname.lastname@example.org you can mail me if you like.
Comment by spiros — October 31, 2008 @ 3:44 am
@Argiris – Waldberg & Hirsch Global Collections Ltd. are a front company which does nothing other than ‘collect’ debts for EBG.
You can very safely ignore them completely.
Comment by Richard Hearne — November 4, 2008 @ 3:28 am
Dear Red Cardinal Ltd I have a LITTLE business at home in DK. I got into this by mistake, did not see the price in small letters. But I cancelled the order (in time after European law), but it doesn’t help. I got God knows how many e-mails and faxes and letters, but now I’m blooked the e-mail for them, and I do not take the phone when it’s unknown number (annoying though), closed my fax… And WILL NOT pay, no way. I don’t have time to this noncense. That’s why I do not write my new website above – to get peace. BUT it shouldn’t be possible – to disturb small firms this way. I’ve tried to contact TV – without succes – to warn others. Now I’m hunted by Waldberg & Hirsch, first it was: Olga Kelemen Account Manager EU Business Services Ltd. Call Center: 0031 203 120 477 Fax: 0031 205 248 107
Comment by Sirpa S. Bode — December 22, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
The best way to attack these crooks is by billing them for usage of your name and integrity in their webscam guide.
Up to date, these scamsters owe us EURO1.8 Million and I have been copying their debt collector, the bills and the order to pay our bills.
These crooks belongs to jail. So let us all put them where they belong. At least make them pay for their nafarious actions when time comes.
Comment by Rasheed — January 3, 2009 @ 4:14 am
Hi from Australia. I first heard about World Business Directory (WBD) in August of 2008 when they faxed a form stating inclusion into the directory was free of charge. I filled it in and sent it back. I then received similar letters and emails similar to those described about. I also tried to reason with them and explain there was a mistake, but to no avail. I even called the phone number listed on the letters they sent, but the person I spoke to was very rude and would not listen to what I was saying. I asked to speak to the manager, but that person was down right abusive and insisted I pay the GBP 880 (Aust $1980) I called a couple of the other businesses listed on the website that were also in Australia and they told me that had heard of WBD but have never paid them and money and ignore their faxes and letters. They (WBD)are now stating that they will start legal action against me. After I read the email I was ready to pay them just to make them stop emailing and writing to me, but then I found http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm and I realised other people were dealing with the same problem. It helps to know I am not alone but I am still concerned. This whole issue is very distressing. I have written to my Department of Fair Trading and informed them about WBD but I haven’t heard anything back from them yet.
Comment by Kerri — January 11, 2009 @ 11:41 am
One of my collegues signed one of those eu-company directory “free” offer 2006 and we’ve been harrassed with emails and reminders and letters from ECD Waldberg & Hirsch ever since. After some initial email correspondense and sending back those reminders with a note saying we refuse to pay, we got tired of interacting with those morons. Now we don’t even bother to reply them.
Until now, the legal threats have been quite subtle but just about a week ago we received a letter from W&H – it says we have to pay within xx days or they will send us a SUBPOENA. This is something new I guess?
Comment by KL — January 17, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
Greetings from Athens Greece! Yes, I got misled like you and signed their ‘free’ offer.
So far I’ve received a couple of reminders by fax and email. All our efforts to explain the situation to them had the same results like yours…
Looking forward to your comments from your guys that have gone beyond the stage of just receiving 1-2 letters from their collection agency! Eftichis
Comment by Eftichis — January 22, 2009 @ 6:33 pm
You can safely ignore them and their ‘collection agency’. It’s just a front, just like their ‘service’
They wont take you to court because they dont want to reveal themselves.
Really dont worry about these guys – if everyone ignores them they’ll go away.
Comment by Richard Hearne — January 24, 2009 @ 11:45 am
I’ll keep you guys updated. if I receive the subpoena someday that is. I could scan their letter and share it with you guys if that can be of any interest.
Comment by KL — January 25, 2009 @ 6:28 pm
Some good news:
Comment by K L — January 27, 2009 @ 11:34 am
That is a really good news. I hope everyone will come down and stop worried so much. DON’T WORRY, BE HAPPY
Comment by Ive — January 28, 2009 @ 8:45 pm
Hi, I need yours advice, our company is from Lithuania. Few months ago we signed a form and sent it to a Netherlands (but it wasn’t signed by director, and we didn’t put a stamp on this form.). Today we received an invoice Nr. 20323 with 900 euro. What should we do, I think so we should ignore it? Or we should to consult with a local lawyer?
Comment by Ricardas — February 2, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
Hi Guys I had an idea about this today. Since there are so many versions of this scam, why not FILL IN their forms with all the details of ANOTHER ONE of the scam variants.
I.e. If you receive a World Business Guide form, complete it with the full details of Expo-Guide (for example).
Let the feelthy scumbags send each other threatening letters.
Comment by Sam Deeks — February 6, 2009 @ 3:53 pm
If somebody fulfill’s 12 000 forms from difrent enterprices and sent to them ? terrebe !
Comment by Dereks — February 7, 2009 @ 9:19 am
Dereks, What if you were to do this and some of the enterprises paid the scammer! Do you want to help these scoundrils?!
Also please consider that to fill the forms out, even in the name of defunct or non-existant enterprises might be against the law in some countries. Jules
Comment by Jules — February 9, 2009 @ 11:05 am
Dear sir, I have small company in Poland and I became the same victim as previous speakers. Today I get a big surprise – a letter with invoice for 990Euro. Thanks God i found that webside!!! Im not going to pay any cent. I hope one day the low in Europe will change and stop activity of such a tric firms as EURO BUSINESS GUIDE Anna
Comment by Anna — February 12, 2009 @ 12:37 am
I received one of these emails today. The funny thing is, I’m nowhere near Europe. I’m in the USA. I also don’t have a company. I suppose it is conceivable that they saw my webpage, wherein I have various compositions I’ve made for fun, but I don’t run a company.
I removed the mailing address, as it’s the same, and removed the email address. The message was: “Dear Madam/Sir,
In order to have your company inserted into the registry of European companies for 2009/2010, please print, complete and return the enclosed form (PDF file) to the following address:
[same mailing address removed]
Updating is free of charge! To unsubscribe, please send an email to [email address removed]”
The PDF’s small print includes: I HEREBY ORDER A SUBSCRIPTION WITH SERVICE PROVIDER EU BUSINESS SERVICES LTD “EURO BUSINESS GUIDE”. I WILL HAVE AN INSERTION TO ITS DATA BASE FOR THREE YEARS. THE PRICE PER YEAR IS EURO 990. THE SUBSCRIPTION WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY EXTENDED EVERY YEAR FOR ANOTHER YEAR, UNLESS SPECIFIC WRITTEN NOTICE IS RECEIVED BY THE SERVICE PROVIDER OR THE SUBSCRIBER TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF THE SUBSCRIPTION.
Comment by Ash — February 13, 2009 @ 11:54 pm
we are small company from Bosnia and Herzegowina, and unfortunatelly we are traped by this cheaters as well. We have NO INTENTION to pay them and will follow advises read at this site. I have an intention to gather all company from BiH traped to compain to higher authorities as well. Pls all keep us informed with your status.
Best regards to all
Comment by Nina — February 16, 2009 @ 6:35 pm
Hi all, StopECG has started a facebook group dedicated to this set of scam guides http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=55011156703
Feel free to join and to use the group as forum
Comment by Jules — March 10, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
Gal atsiras lietuvaiciu kurie yra pasirase kontrakta ir gali duoti patarima kaip galima susidoroti su situ sukciu spaudimu apmoketi saskaitas ir kaip ju atsikratyti?
Linkejimai, Laukiam ziniu.
Comment by Vita — March 10, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
Today one Year after I made a mistake & signed their paper I received by post a letter leting me know that I owe them the money & enclosed in the letter they had a copy from the paper that I signed. Also the same day received letter from their suposed money collectors that make me think that these letters where posted the same day & probably from the same person.
What do you think do I have to send them back a letter? Explaining once again as I did on the first time & they ignored me or donot answer them?
Comment by jim Batsis — March 13, 2009 @ 12:02 am
Patarimas paprastas nemoketi ir nekreipti dėmesio, bent jau mes pakolkas taip elgiames. Galite man parašyti: email@example.com
Comment by Ričardas — March 13, 2009 @ 1:04 pm
I’ve just received an invoice for the first payment of €995 It’s addressed to a company name that’s based on the key words associated with an activity of mine, i.e., it’s not addressed to me. Said activity is very low key not requiring and indeed not having a registered company associated with it. My website is indeed listed on their directory website and as such they can look my actual name and link it to the signature they have but as far I can see their invoice is addressed to an entity that in a legal, prosecutable, sense simply doesn’t exist. In actual fact the postman was unsure about delivering the letter and asked my wife whether she thought it was intended for us. I intend to scan the invoice and letter and then give the lot back to the postman instructing him that no such recipient lives here and not to deliver any further similarly addressed correspondence to us but either to return it to sender or mark it as undeliverable. Whatever happens I shall not pay them a penny. What do you think?
Comment by Miffed — March 27, 2009 @ 7:40 pm
I am one of victim of EuroBusiness Guide and Euro City Guide, and keep getting the e-mails from January 2009. My advice is: NOT TO PAY (NO DOUBT) and ACT IN YOUR COUNTRY INFORMING ABOUT THESE COMPANIES THROUGH YOUR COUNTRY GOVERNMENT , YOUR MEMBERS AT EUROPARLAMENT AND PUBLICATIONS IN YOUR COUNTRY. We got to act against these silly-rude companies, WHICH MAKE A LOT OF PAIN AND LOSS FOR PEOPLE. Let’s make a list of victims (e-mails, Names, Country) and fight against them in court. Please send your e-mails/names/country to me to: firstname.lastname@example.org Lithuania
Comment by Vidas, Lithuania — April 2, 2009 @ 10:35 am
Brangus Tautieciai, LT
Esu vienas is auku Euro Business Guide ir Euro CIty Guide is kuriu gaunu nuo Sausio 2009 laiskus grasinancius su augancia saskaita ir gasdinimus, kad atiduos mano saskaita teisinem institucijom. Taciau as NEMOKEJAU IR NEZADU TO DARYTI. LABAI REKOMENDUOJU TA PATI IR JUMS, N E M O K E K I T E ir KOOPERUOKIMES, sudarykime e-mailu, vardu su Jusu trumpom ir aiskiom istorijom, SARASA. MUMS reikia kooperuotis ir veikti kaip viena informuodami apie situos aferistus saviems Tautieciams ir kitiems, o reikus ir Teisme stoveti visiems kaip viena, todel kvieciu visus siusti savo e-mailus, vardus ir trumpas istorijas kaip atsitiko ir kas vyksta. Bukime vienybeje. Laukiu Jusu e-mailu: email@example.com video-foto.lt Bukit palaiminti.
Comment by Vidas, Lithuania — April 2, 2009 @ 10:47 am
Bonjour, cela fait la seconde fois en 2 ans que ces escrocs DAD m’envoient le formulaire faussement gratuit. La première fois mon ex-associé avait signé leur bon de commande mais n’a jamais payé malgré les lettres de relance très “musclées”. Personnellement j’ai eu droit au harcèlement téléphonique d’un de ces escrocs téléphonant à partir du bureau Inkasso de Vienne. A chaque fois je ne le laissais pas parler mais répétant uniquement: svp, envoyez moi une lettre “par recommandé” ce qu’il ne fit évidemment pas. Ce qui m’avait fait douter de leur sérieux, c’était que sur aucune lettre n’est écrit le nom d’une personne. J’ai porté plainte à la Police Grand-ducale mais ils ne peuvent rien faire tant que de l’argent n’a pas été envoyé à ces escrocs. Donc, même si vous avez signé quelque chose, ne faites plus rien, collectionnez leur courrier et allez porter plainte car même si la Police ne peut rien faire, elle collectionne tous ces documents frauduleux pour alimenter un dossier central. Bonne chance et restez “zen”! Martin
Comment by MARTIN — April 5, 2009 @ 6:43 am
Nederland government should be ashamed. So many years, so many scammed companies and still no government initiative n this case – unbelievable.
Comment by 3D FORM — April 14, 2009 @ 12:13 pm
This company is absolutely scamming!!!! I wish there was a way to shut them down. I have made formal complaint to the Principal Commercial Standards Officer Trading Standards Neighbourhoods and Regeneration 81 Downham Road London N.1 5TR Maybe if we send all our complaints to the same place they will be stopped!!!! This company has so many names World Business Directory a london address which is registered as a accommodation address and they are not there. EU Business services a Charleston Nevis address Waldberg & Hirsch Global Collections LTD a Amsterdam address and who they start to threaten you with when you don’t pay! The company actually seems to be based in Romania?
I direction by the UK trading standard and our NZ equivalent not to pay so I am choosing to ignore the demands and hope they go away but they are relentless and I have been doing this for 8 months while they put late payment fees on my account and most recently they have put my directors name to the demand notices as a further scare tactic even though it is my name on the contact for the original free data form trick in the beginning. They make me sick to my stomach.
Comment by Jolene — April 28, 2009 @ 3:19 am
I’m in Australia and have been caught out with the World Business Guide.
I’m stressed that I can be so stupid, but like many others with a small business you sign up to many free directories to get your name out there and I was oblivious to such trickery…
Thanks for this site – it’s comforting to know I’m not alone and can be reassured that I won’t lose any money. I just have to deal with the endless threats that have already started. I only received the letter yesterday and already today they have sent a reminder email.
I will write off letters as recommended at http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm but do I also need to send a request to the Business Guide to cancel the contract or is there no point in this?
I will be calling the ACCC (Australian Competitiona and Consumer Commission) today which is part of the Australasian Consumer Fraud Taskforce.
Any other Australian businesses that can advise what they have done?
Comment by Danielle — May 5, 2009 @ 12:28 am
Hi, there is an update on the DDOs attacks against websites that criticize the scam guides here http://stopecg.blogspot.com/2009/05/stopecg-attacked.html thanks, Jules
Comment by Jules — May 15, 2009 @ 2:19 am
Oh, I am so relieved to have found this forum…I am just getting my online business started and I have been advised by so many online business owners that it is good to link up with with other sites to get as much traffic to my site as possible…which is why I filled out the FREE UPDATE form…which I have since discovered is a TOTAL SCAM!!!
Andreea has only just started emailing me on a regular basis, but now that I have so much ammunition from this site I am just going to throw it back at them! And I am not going to pay!
I will keep you updated with how everything goes!
Comment by Sacha — May 15, 2009 @ 12:40 pm
Hello, I´ve been caught by Euro business in january 2009. I signed the form and not stamped it. Of course the ” surprise ” came in a very short time by receiving the invoice. I´ve answered and told them I ´m not going to pay a EURO . Since that time I ´ve got several mails and e-mails. Of course I also sent letters complaining about Euro Business Guide to companies (Advison International Trade – AMsterdam) and officials – EUROPEAN COMMISSION DG Health and Consumer Protection, and also to Simon Busittil, MEP and got no helpful answer. There is no name or stamp or phone number in EBG correspondence!!! Is it legal? Is there any company which was brought by Euro business guide to the court? How comes such a spam company can´t be prohibited and condemned?
Comment by Daniela — June 9, 2009 @ 3:19 pm
Daniela – AFAIK, in spite of multiple threats those crooks have never dragged their victims to court. That is self-explanatory – why, if they did that the judge would kick their scrawny asses.
Comment by K L — June 10, 2009 @ 8:50 am
Has anyone produced a standard legal letter (from UK companies hit by this) which may be sent from a solicitor helping via legal aid?
Would be good just to pass it onto someone who could progress on this legally.
Comment by Tom Beckett — June 23, 2009 @ 9:31 am
im from Russia and like most of u i fell for this scam about a month ago. i have been receiving their ‘reminders’ several times since then. personally i have no worries regarding their threats but i just feel bad that i will have to explain all this shit to my managers and account department.
if anyone can give advice on how i can shut them up, please, comment here. unfortunetely, i doubt i can get any advice from the local authorities as they are not really helpful here in Russia.
all the best, Lisa
Comment by Lisa — July 8, 2009 @ 3:43 am
Just a short note to let you know that this company has changed its name. Here is the message I have just receive this morning:
—–Original Message—– From: World Business Registrar [firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:13 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Business Registration 2009/2010
Ladies and Gentlemen.
In order to have your company inserted in the registry of World Businesses for 2009/2010 edition, please print, complete and submit the enclosed form (PDF file) to the following address:
WORLD BUSINESS GUIDE P.O. Box 2021 3500 GA Utrecht The Netherlands
email: firstname.lastname@example.org FAX: +31 20 524 8107
Updating is free of charge!
If you are not the intended recipient, please submit an email to email@example.com Your request shall be dealt with accordingly.
Comment by Michael Nguyen — July 31, 2009 @ 3:41 am
A very effective advice:
- completely IGNORE all communication with this SCAM company (and also other similar FRAUD companies, since these guys are not the only ones),
- under no circumstances DO NOT PAY ANYTHING to them,
- NOT EVEN ONE CASE ENDED IN COURT OF JUSTICE anywhere in the world in last 20 years.
P.S.: You can not stop them bugging you, but they will bug you less if you DO NOT REACT at all.
Remember: IGNORE THEM !!
Comment by John — July 31, 2009 @ 8:46 am
This people are just unstoppable!!!! This is the latest registration form so be careful everyone: ——————————— World Business Directory
In order to have your company registered in the World Business Directory for 2009/2010, please print, complete and return the enclosed form (PDF file) to the following address:
World Business Directory Suite 149 – Rosden House – 372 Old Street Ec1v 9au / London – United Kingdom e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org Fax: +44 207 806 8157
Updating is free of charge! To unsubscribe, please send an email to email@example.com —————————- They changed their address and name but they still are same bad people. Hope some day somebody will stop them finally.
Take care all Ive
Comment by Ive — August 2, 2009 @ 8:50 am
Hi, This is from India. It seems now they have targeted India. I fell prey to their deceptive email and sent back the filled up form by email without signing but just typing my first name there. Still they are threatening me. I sure am going to ignore them. Let’s be united in tackling them. My Indian Philosophy tells me : Truth always prevails! So fellows (Indians and others), do not panic. Take care!
Comment by Chaugule from India — August 25, 2009 @ 4:34 pm
One of my employees accidentally signed one of these thinking it was free. That was back in 2005. They then started sending emails and invoices and then a letter from a solicitor in Brussells. I checked that one out and they didn’t exist. So I stood firm that we wern’t gonna pay it. The net result was that my trusty member of staff hung himself. He left a note of 20+ pages apologising for having got my company into the deal. Whilst this tragic event would possibly have happened anyway, this as the final trigger that certainly cauased him to jump.
So now, these bastards are sending spam to my domain to all sorts of random names. I’ve had 37 copies of it this week. I’ve started sending firm then firmer then rude then ruder and now downright obscene replies, all to firstname.lastname@example.org. This is the woman that sent all of the invoices and got the ‘solicitors’ on the case. She has replied asking that I stop sending her obscene emails and threatening to report me to the police (??where) but I will persist. I suggest that everyone do the same and she’ll get some of her own medicine back. That said, I have better things to do than deal with these jerks. They are utter scum playing on the conciousness of decent business folks. I can say without doubt that if I lived anywhere near their building, I’d become a full blown terrorist for the five minutes that it took to torch their building!
Comment by Samuel Finsbury — September 26, 2009 @ 2:50 am
In fact, does anyone have a valid fax number for them – I’ll send them 1000 form feeds!
Comment by Samuel Finsbury — September 26, 2009 @ 2:52 am
I’ve no reason to disbelieve you, and it sounds like a very sad story. Unfortunately some people on this planet of ours don’t really care about anything but making a fast buck. The company this post is about is obviously run by such people. What goes around comes around, and some day they will get their just deserts.
Thanks for posting, and very sad to hear about your colleague. Richard
Comment by Richard Hearne — September 29, 2009 @ 9:38 am
Hi Samuel, First please let me express my condolances at the loss of your staff memeber, I have long said that the evil hounding and marauding of these lowlives must lead people to early graves, if not throught sucicide certainly through stress.
Please pause a moment for consideration of what I suggest next, because no matter how vile this Andreea woman may seem, sending abuse gives here the advantage, far better to take a deep breath and take your tragic story to the newspapers and TV. Funnel that anger into a day of press releases and phonecalls and hit them where it hurts – with negative publicity.
Every time someone reads the name of one of these guides they are less likely to sign in error, every time they hear a story like yours and find out that these people bully and threaten but NEVER go to court they are less likely to pay.
So please use what has happened to help others
Here are the names of the scam guides run from the office where Anreea works
EU Company Directory Euro Business Guide European Business Connection World Business Directory World Business Guide
try to get them all named when going to the press
Please also report your sorry tale to ALL the suggested complaint addresses we have listed here http://stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm
One letter, just CC it to all of them Yours, Jules
Comment by Jules — September 29, 2009 @ 9:55 am
I have ckecked their website and there is 840 spanish companies wich fell in this fraud.
Almost 1 million euros got.
Comment by tor — September 30, 2009 @ 9:32 am
Has anyone actually got a confirmed physical office address of these people?
Comment by Samuel Finsbury — September 30, 2009 @ 11:43 am
Hello, I trapped by world business guide and try to cancel the transaction.cThe correspondence turned to quarrel and lost my patience too.A person called ramona continued to send me reminders then i have insulted her serioulsy and correspondence stopped. No hear since october?? Wonder what happened to these losers?
Comment by Handegok — November 17, 2009 @ 3:39 pm
Dear all, I´ve also been trapped by these crooks, EUB Guide.
A lot of us is suffering health problems for their pressure. I´d be interested on creating a group in order to contract a lawyer in Utrech and go ourselves to the court in order to:
1st- cancel the contract. The contract is clearly a fraud. 2nd- Claim this people for the health damages suffered by most of us. I would bring a certficate from a doctor for depression caused for bulying.This case has created a loss of concentration in my work with a huge economic cost.
I will be very happy to spend some money to go against these criminals. I think that if we gather 20 companies and go against them, we can create them big problem with a little expense per company.
Is anyone interested on creating the group?.
I´m from Spain and I know a group of local lawyers who has a correspondence with a netherlands team.
Anyway I´m shure that there must be some other victims from netherlands or belgium and will be easier for them to organize the contact with a lawyer there. We could open a bank account and send an amount of money to be fixed in order to defend our rights.
I don´t put any confidence on the politics to arrenge my problems. I normally have to arrange them by my own. And I feel better when I start moving instead of suffering the presure doing nothing.
I don´t know if you can contact me throught this page. Anyway if it is possible please include my email: email@example.com
Comment by alfonso rubio — November 18, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
Did anyone try to phone to Mr. Busuttil?. I dial the numbers and there´s no signal. When I dial the other guy´s ph-# it sounds like a wrong number. I´d be interested in speaking with Busuttil although I´m not shure that they can help us.
Comment by alfonso rubio — November 18, 2009 @ 5:51 pm
to contact Mr Busittil I would try the EU Parliament website, if the number on there is wrong there must be a general helpline
He reports back to the Parliament in January and the Commission will also have to report on what they have done to kill off these scams so it is very important that you all write to your MEPs here is a link telling you how http://www.stopecg.org/#mep
Please do it now, or at leasrt print this off and have it in your in tray! This lessens the chance that it gets forgotten. Thanks, Jules
Comment by Jules — November 19, 2009 @ 10:17 am
Well ive been panicking. I had this in September and we have actually got lots of FREE insertions on many website advertising our services so I thought nothing of including ourselves on this one until the I started getting emails, letters and phone calls demanding we pay for the FREE UPDATE.
I work for a small company, times are hard anyway I know we cant afford to pay.
How can companies still be a able to get away with tricking you into such contracts.
Has anyone paid?
Has anyone finally been left alone after not paying?
My boss sees each letter that comes in and I know it will be my job on the line.
A scared young lady in need of reassurance.
I will be sending a letter to all those address’s today.
I think Watch Dog need to take this up
Comment by Michaela — December 1, 2009 @ 3:21 pm
Hello I am really clad to see that I am not the only victim of this scammers. I just logged here and gained some useful info. My lawyer send them a notice today makind clear that we are going to sue them for faud… A little while later they sent another fax claiming that I will have to pay the years subscription. I dont intent to do so but I will try to have these people arrested. If any victims from greece face the same probs pls contact me. damianos firstname.lastname@example.org
Comment by damianos — December 30, 2009 @ 7:19 pm
Hi everyone, thanks for all comments they are really more than welcomed in this situation! I did the same thing and those letters are constantly coming. I am an employee whom the head completely trusts. This is the worst mistake I’ve made. We just send them one mail and they didn’t respond. I saw this site and I was rather relaxed until today when we received Waldberg&Hirsh notification. I am relly encouraged by your comments but I am a bit scared that I don’t have any other documetation except this mail from the last year. And its really nicee toknow that you are not alone. please can you put here some letters of complaint that you’ve alreday sent to them? Bosnia is not the member of EU, we have no MEP to write to.
PLEASE GIVE SOME ADVICE!!!!!!! THANKS IN ADVANCE
Comment by annoyed — January 22, 2010 @ 4:33 pm
I signed the form back in July, when I returned from holiday I saw the invoice. I tried to contact Ramona by phone but she wouldnt speak to me just continued to send me emails demanding payment. Luckily have understanding bosses, when I spoke to them and explained they just refused to pay. But I was still a bit concerned about the letters, faxes and emails being received.
Thankfully I found this website, I have continued to ignore all correspondance received and have not heard from them since the beginning of December.
Comment by Sophie — January 29, 2010 @ 12:44 pm
I hope that the same will happen to me also
Comment by annoyed — January 31, 2010 @ 11:41 am
thanks to the advise on here i wrote to my EMP’s and the replay back from them all is DO NOT PAY and if they continue to hound them then write to advise if they continue you will seek advice on Wrongfull Advertising. I sent an email to said bitch woman and she didnt reply…shame really lol
I feel so much better, myu boss is no longer stressing and he is actually impressed with how i have handled the mistake i made.
We all make them and they arevery clever in what they do.
Just stay strong – dont pay!
Comment by Michaela — February 1, 2010 @ 9:38 am
We signed the form from WBG in March 2009, as I remember. There were a lot of emails (I tried to explain all at first, then just ignored letters), then post letters, few faxes approximately until July 2009. Then it was silent, and they woke up in January 2010! Post letter with scan of our signed agreement + a letter from collectors agency today. I think, it is because “agreement” was prolongationed automatically for the next year, so they demand 995 EURO + 400 EURO as penalty. I wonder how patient they are and how long it will continue
To all – don’t worry about these bastards, they don’t worth your health! All the best!
With kind regards, Alexander
Comment by Alexander — February 11, 2010 @ 1:07 pm
I got the same letter. I did pay the amount of 990 euros. After several months I got a letter from Andrea and she informed that I didn’t pay. I was surprised and sent her a copy of my payment. Then she told me it was a mistake. At the very beginning I tried not to pay, but they told me I had to do it. I was so surprised and affraid, so I paid. I had no intention to pay for the second year and made a reminder in order not to forget to send a letter two months before the end of the contract. But I feel fine today when I realised that Company is scam.
Comment by seka — March 3, 2010 @ 3:54 pm
Me too I am only one speaking english person in company. I did not read carefully the small text and asked my boss to sign. She told me (wise woman): what for? the stamp would be enough for them. Now we are receiving these scam leeter. I consulted the lawer of our company and was informed that whithout signature the stamp is not valid. So when such blackmail letter arrives is follows directly into the trash. I wish to everybody to be strong and to hold out!
Comment by Lothar — March 24, 2010 @ 12:37 pm
I am yet another victim from Greece. We originally came to an arrangement with them (Ms Carmen Ispas in our case) back in February 2009, where they accepted us paying for only one year and then cancelling the payments for the next two years (I have all this correspondence on file). Just today I received a new invoice for the second year. I replied via email, quoting all previous emails but both Carmen’s address and the general email@example.com were returned to me as “fatal errors”. This is when I googled and ended up here.
Just prior to this message, I talked to the Greek Chamber of Commerce – who had no idea, and I am still trying to file a report at the Ministry of Commerce through their helpline.
Going through the whole thread, I noticed so many fellow Greeks reporting the same scam. Did any of you guys report it anywhere and did you get any feedback from anyone? I will be sending a letter to the Chamber of Commerce, so that they can print it in their circular so that other companies are not scammed.
I am definitely not paying again, but it would be great if we could all do something about it (or press authorities to do it).
Mary, Athens, Greece
Comment by Mary Yfanti — March 31, 2010 @ 1:22 pm
My company signed this by “contract” by mistake, and even after e-mails and letters sent to Euro Business Guide, they WILL NOT cancel the order once they have it. I quickly decided it was all a scam and decided not to pay – judging by comments here it was the correct decision! 3 years later, all they do is send the occasional letter saying please pay, or have Waldberg & Hirsch (debt collectors) sent it for them. No further action has ever been taken.
My advice if you have signed the agreement, don’t get worried, don’t waste time on it, and most importantly, DON’T PAY!!
Comment by Steve — April 1, 2010 @ 10:10 am
Why dont the interpol interfere ? Why cant the police interfere ? How is it possible ?
Comment by samantha — April 8, 2010 @ 10:40 am
I have a small self run business and have just made the same mistake. They are now called World Company Register but the form is practically the same and the addresses is the same, as well as their spiteful methods. I have recieved the invoice but it has been a week now so the reminders have not started to arrive yet. I am searching the net for advice and found this great site. Right now I am considering whether I should ignore them or only send them a first letter about my refusal to pay and to inform them that I will file a complaint to several authorities. The quesion is, should I wait untill the harassment really starts and is it advisable to send them a letter so I can file it in case of a future law suit for example. Is ignoring them completely the way to go? One is tempted to argue and threaten them since they really pisses you off but maybe you should remain cool?
Comment by Jonas — May 1, 2010 @ 1:06 pm
hab dieses Mail auch bekommen – bin aber nicht reingefallen
Comment by Martin — May 4, 2010 @ 7:30 am
Anyone that send them $1 is foolish. Our saga has been going on since 2008 and despite the repeat warnings, threats, faxes, emails etc we’ve never paid them a penny. Am still waiting for the serious action, ie a proper court summons. This will never happen as these people are scammers, thieves and intimidators. No-one has ever been taken to court by them. If I were able to locate that Andreea woman, she’d experience an event that even the roughtest woman hasn’t experienced.
Comment by Samuel Finsbury — May 23, 2010 @ 10:01 am
They are still at it.
In a recent letter they are requesting/demanding 990 EUR payment within 14 days.
The bank account information:
PAY TO: EU Business Services Ltd. BANK: ING Bank N.V., P.O. Box 1800,1000 BV AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands IBAN: NL50 INGB 0001335004 SWIFT CODE: INGBNL2A Nc#: 1335004
EU Business Services Ltd.. Registration number: C27229, Charlestown Nevis (WI) Postal address: P.O. Box 2021,3500 GA Utrecht,The Netherlands. Call center: +31-203-120-477. Fax: +31-205-248-107 firstname.lastname@example.org http://www.eurobusinessguide.net
1. DO NOT PAY 2. DO NOR RESPOND OR COMMENT 3. WRITE OF YOUR COMPLAINT TO THE REFERENCED BANK AND COPY MATERIAL 4. WRITE OF YOUR COMPLAINT TO THE POSTAL SERVICE IN UTRECHT AND COPY MATERIAL 5. WRITE OF YOUR COMPLAINT TO THE UTRECHT POLICE IN UTRECHT AND COPY MATERIAL
Comment by Tamer Kirac — June 12, 2010 @ 9:04 am
Ref. European Business Guide
After 4-5 years of scamming and mostly succeeding in extorting money from a large number of naive start-up businesses, it is surprising that they still continue with their unethical and most probably illegal operation.
I am certain that there has been complaints to the Utrecht Post Office and the ING Bank/Netherlands, associated with this operation. What is surprising is that they have not taken any action.
Comment by Tamer Kirac — June 15, 2010 @ 5:42 pm
I have now recieved several reminders with only a week or two between them with the usual fees added to the bill and an increasingly threatening tone. It is the incanation called World Compant Register with addresses in Latvia, Spain, Netherlands and British Virgin Islands (!) After the first invoice I wrote a letter disputing that invoice referring to the The Directive 2006/114/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council, dated 12th December 2006 concerning Misleading and Comparative Advertising. After that I have not replied them. They have sent me three reminders and an e-mail with legal threats. Maybe the best way would have been to ignore them from the start, I dont know. Jonas
Comment by Jonas — June 19, 2010 @ 8:15 am
Who could tell me in what period this terrorism will end? I just tired
Comment by Grazina — July 27, 2010 @ 9:30 am
Anyone still having problems – Please do what i did and tell them you have taken advice from your European MP and they have advised not to pay and to take legal action under wrongful advertising. I have only had one call since i told them this in an email last year. I repeated the statement over the phone and havent heard back.
I do however expect to hear from them again – they will possibly hope that a paymant maybe made to them by mistake??
That wont happen in my lifetime.
Please dont worry – dont pay and dont even open the letters – infact just return to sender!
Comment by Michaela — August 4, 2010 @ 1:42 pm
Do not be tired or give in!! These people want you to be tired, want you to be afraid, then maybe you pay tinking it will end the problem, but if you pay…. The problem gets worse because then you are seen as a soft target.
The ‘contract’ os for 3 years, so if you pay then they harass you for year 2 and year 3… So please stay strong, you deserve the money so much more than these greedy scammers
Comment by Jules — August 4, 2010 @ 1:48 pm
Well the Eurodirectory keeps sending me letters and e-mails in order to make me pay the fees they charged me. Every letter has a small ammount plus. I bounce their e-mails back and sent also back their letters as unwanted. Last week I received an e-mail, if I don’t pay they are threatening to take me to court. Which one I wander…. Dont’t pay them anything … at all.
Comment by argiris — September 23, 2010 @ 9:18 am
yes they are still active – please report cases to local chamber of commerce. people have to be warned…
Comment by Grafikdesign — November 14, 2010 @ 6:35 pm
They are still sending emails, faxes and posted letters to me, after ignoring them for 2 years. I have just conditioned myself to delete, or garbage them once I receive them. Such a waste of paper, but to these guys it is money and ‘business’. Best to just ignore them; however it would be good to hear from anyone that has tried to take this to any authority. Do they have anything to say?
Comment by Norm — December 16, 2010 @ 9:07 am
They do not only scam for your money. They are also known spammers. They buy large email lists which script kiddies gathered with their spider-bots and spam all companies asking them to submit their details.
Please write to the dutch Chamber of Commerce in Utrecht and please take your time to also call dutch authorities and tell them about these people.
Kamer Van Koophandel Utrecht (Chamber of Commerce in Utrecht, Netherlands) Remco De Bruijn (Ondernemersadviseur Internationale Handel) Kroonstraat 50 Postbus 48, 3500 AA Utrecht Tel.: 030 236 32 95 Fax: 030 231 28 04 E-mail: email@example.com Internet: http://www.utrecht.kvk.nl
Comment by Karel — December 26, 2010 @ 3:14 am
Same problem for us. Same wrong behaviour from those loosers at EBG. They are just mad!!!!! We will not pay a cent, and we sent an email to all the competent authorities. Ignore them, and don’t give them a cent! Good luck!
Comment by Lacassin Dororhée — January 6, 2011 @ 12:48 pm
I’m from MALAYSIA. I received the mail from “Europe Business Guide” on “Business Guide Update 2011-2012″. I’m in charge of admin work in my company and I signed the form and mailed it on 16 Dec 2010.
Today, 21 Jan 2011 I received a copy of their invoice dated 3 Jan 2011 (did not receive the invoice before this) with their usual reminder letter as alerted on : http://www.stopecg.org/eu_company_directory.htm requesting for payment of EUR 990, late payment of EUR 99 & administration fee EUR 35.
This is the reply from them when I requested to terminate the insertion :
Unfortunately, a cancellation in full of your order comes too late to be taken as valid, since the services for the 1st year have already been delivered.
The invoice no. 74890 was issued for already delivers services, your first year of subscription into our guide.
Considering the order you have placed is for three years and the services have already been delivered for the first year (i.e. invoice no. 748xx), upon receiving the payment for this invoice we will be able to cancel the years 2 and 3 on the agreement.
The application forms are the same with slight changes on the logo, referral website was http://www.europebusinessguide.net
I searched my for company’s name on the net and no link was found to this website. Only when searched in http://www.europebusinessguide.net my company’s name appeared.
Anyone has any new updates on how to handle these people?
Comment by Shank — January 21, 2011 @ 9:52 am
Our company is called Global Business Register Limited. We are legally registered in Ireland and our business involves the selling and distribution of official company information that is sourced from the national company registers around Europe. We are an official distributor for the EBR (European Business Register). EBR is an official EU organisation involved in the integration of business registers across Europe. (http://www.ebr.org)
We would wish to advise your readers that our company should not be confused with either World Company Register, World Business Directory or EU Business Directory. We have no association whatsoever with any of them and wish to clearly state that we do not condone in any way the activities of these organisations.
It is free to use our service to search for company information and should you wish to order an official document on a company there is a small fee associated with that. We do not offer to include any company in a directory and charge fee for it.
If anyone would like further information I would be very happy to help them with their query.
Comment by Rob L — February 4, 2011 @ 4:27 pm
I have also been bombarded with a lot of mail from eurobusiness guide, yes i did sign up with them, thingking it was free, and did not see in small letters that there is yearly subscription fee of EURO$999,- to pay up for and now they are bombamrding me daily with all sorts of payment and extra fines for delayed payment and ask me to make payment, or otherwise they will take me to lagl action and the problem is the villa in bali is not even mine, I am working at the premise a ssales marketing officer and was only helping on behalf of the villa. I am not paying a DIME,waiting in bali-Indonesia, if they want to take legal action, let it be…i am welcoming them with my hands open wide………….do not be bullied by these online terrorists, if you pay means YOU ARE GIVING IN!!
Comment by debbie yatno — February 9, 2011 @ 6:36 am
I got their invoice and send them a ceased and desist letter to halt any further notices. They ignored them so I now am charging them for processing their emails to me which is now up to EUR 5800. Their bill is adding up which I am intending to follow up on with a debt collector with interesting methods in Romania.
Comment by Behzad — February 12, 2011 @ 12:40 pm
We’ve warned companies locally in South Africa about this scam.
Unfortunately, many around here have already been tricked by Europe Business Guide and receive follow-up e-mails, faxes and legal-correspondence from them.
Fortunately, as far as we could establish, no one has made any payment to them yet.
Comment by Rupert — February 23, 2011 @ 9:01 pm
You are wrong Rupert. They have cashed more than 3 million last year
Comment by denisse — March 21, 2011 @ 8:59 am
We are the new victim, of course, we don’t pay one cent to them. But it is regret that we still can not stop them after so many years. There will be more new victims! What can we do? They are the rubbish of the human beings and we should throw them out to the bin!
Comment by Robert — March 24, 2011 @ 5:33 pm
One of our employees signed this thing, due to bad english understanding and though its free thing.
Then we started to recieve the invoices to pay them. Tried to contact, but no use. Then finally wrote them that we r not interested in this for such crazy amount of money and that it wasnt written clearly – info of payment.
They kept sending us faxes with invoices and emails, we ignored, they also called.
Then I wrote that as its not the owner of company who signed the contract, it has no value. And that our antivirus doesnt even allow their page to open.
My friend told that they r registered in one country, website in another and bank account in third. so its a scam.
Better to report them to police.
Comment by Julia — April 9, 2011 @ 10:04 pm
i did the same mistake and i would like to know whether they took anyone to the court for that action or not? also did any of you received the CD of the company?
waiting for your reply.
Best Regards Hany
Comment by Hany — April 21, 2011 @ 12:34 pm
We are just a victim of Euro Business Guide. We will never pay them a cent because It is unlegal way to earne momey like this in our country. Recently we got letter of Waldberg & Hirsch. We have already contacted Holland ambassade to hear about this cheating. I hope they will be contacted soon by Holland police about this unlegal way to cheat companies in the world. Unfortunatly for them we are an old member of European group.
Comment by Elcon Denmark — May 19, 2011 @ 9:03 am
EBG is a SCAM!
Reminder to recipients of letters from EBG and/or its representatives:
Do not respond to anything sent by EBG, or through their representatives, such as Waldberg & Hirsch.
Instead, make a copy of what is sent to you, include a simple statement of the illegality of the EBG actions, that it is basically an extortion, and mail copies to your Embassy in Holland and Brussels, Ombudsman, Local Chamber of Commerce and the Local Police Department.
If they call you, simply hang up the phone.
Comment by Tamer Kirac — June 14, 2011 @ 1:33 pm
Hi everyone, We are a company from Turkey. lower into the same trap. We stayed sleepless for days. We saw this site and were very glad we make the research because it not only learned it. comments, as I understand -do not panic -No charge -good sleep
Regards to all
Comment by tansel — April 12, 2012 @ 5:41 am
Yeah, just ignore them
We still recieve emails from them sometimes, and I mark them as spam automatically
Good that they stop sending faxes, no more paper waste
If they will annoy you just tell you gonna report them to police
Comment by Julia from estonian company — May 14, 2012 @ 1:02 pm
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