Comments on: Google Local Business Center & How to Rank for Local Search http://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/ Search Engine Optimisation Ireland Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:03:56 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Kenhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-892053 Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:18:53 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-892053 I have also noticed that google favours business with g+ websites as far as local businesses go.

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By: Timhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-276492 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:10:39 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-276492 Found this artical whilst looking for G+ local – amazing how har local search has come in 3 years

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By: Michael Harthttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-30809 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:05:29 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-30809 Great post. I’m new to building and promoting websites, so this guide has certainly helped me.

I’ve just gone through the process of adding my business to the google local business center, and as an update, the only option I was given for verifying my listing was by post, which they say takes 2-3 weeks. I guess they now want to be sure that businesses do not lie about their address.

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By: Mark Bundschuhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-16232 Mon, 24 May 2010 10:30:50 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-16232 30 days is generally the maximum time it takes us to get a Page 1 listing for the first couple of search terms. As time passes, they tend to get up there for more and more search terms. I would be happy to privately put you in touch with some of our customers and to show you their listings.

We started off charging a one-off fee for the service on the basis that we generally should have been able to set up the listing once and just leave it. However, we’ve discovered that we often do need to tweak listings as we find better strategies to optimize them.

I’m not really sure what your issue is here. If you feel you could offer this service at a lower cost why don’t you do it? As far as we are aware, we are the only company offering a money-back guarantee for Page 1 of Google locally.

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-16229 Mon, 24 May 2010 09:29:27 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-16229 30 days really means nothing when it comes to optimising for any search-related stuff Mark, and charging a recurring fee is flying very close to rip-off territory IMO. I can only hope you dont use “direct marketing”…

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By: Mark Bundschuhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-16227 Mon, 24 May 2010 08:42:14 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-16227 Yes, we are aware of this. However, local search today is similar to National Search 10 years ago. It was relatively easy to get Page 1 in google.ie for most search terms then as there was very little competition.

Dominating every technique that SEO technicians use is the basic objective of Google to ensure that the most relevant terms to the keyword search appear at the top. We set up businesses that are 100% relevant to the search term and then optimise them. One of Google’s metrics for relevance is how often the listing is clicked. This means that businesses that get up there today have a good chance of staying up there once they are relevant to the search term.

We charge for getting them on Page 1 initially and for staying up to date with Local Optimisation Strategies so that if their listing drops off Page 1 we can get them back again. And, as I said before, we offer a 30 day money-back guarantee.

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-16224 Mon, 24 May 2010 07:45:52 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-16224 You do realise that local search is not based on first-come-first-served Mark?

You charge per annum? For what exactly?

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By: Mark Bundschuhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-16223 Mon, 24 May 2010 07:36:56 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-16223 Hi Richard,
You’re right – in an ideal world all Web Designers would know how to do this and include it as part of any package they provide for their customers. However, there is a great opportunity to list today that won’t be there in a couple of years as the page 1 places will fill up. It will then go the route of National Search which will mean that the only way to list on Page 1 will be through PPC.

We only charge 250 p.a. and we offer a Money Back Guarantee. I think it’s a pretty nominal charge for the service being offered.

Mark

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-16201 Sun, 23 May 2010 08:33:44 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-16201 Hi Mark

I’m in 2 minds about your service. Yes, it does offer non-tech folk an easy route to traffic, but at the same time you mention that site owners really shouldn’t be paying for this: “Any Web Designer is doing their customer a dis-service if they don’t know both how to set up their local listing and optimise it for Page 1″.

I hope your service goes well, but if you go down the direct marketing route I feel you’ll end up just another “bad” search agency…

Rgds
Richard

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By: Derbyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-15970 Mon, 17 May 2010 14:21:11 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-15970 Very very interesting. I’ve been doing some research and I think that having the post code or zip code near to the geographic centre is the primary determinant but also reviews are potentially very important. You can also see who is using this effectively and then look at their categories if they are in your industry, I’ve just found an extra 3. My gut feeling is that one or two of the review sources is going to be the primary driver for these listings.

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By: Mark Bundschuhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-15719 Mon, 10 May 2010 10:11:12 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-15719 Hi Richard,

I noticed your post from last year and find it excellent. Not sure how much you’ve done since on it but we’re reasonably confident we’ve cracked how to do this and are guaranteeing Page 1 rankings for local businesses within 30 days. We have a strike rate of around 95% and we simply refund the 5%. We charge for the optimization at €250 p.a. + VAT.

I think this is going to be huge over the next 3-5 years and will put Yellow/Golden Pages and all local directories out of business. Since last year, Google now have more Local searches than Yellow or Golden Pages and this trend will continue.

Any Web Designer is doing their customer a dis-service if they don’t know both how to set up their local listing and optimise it for Page 1.

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By: Google Local Introduces the 7 Pack – 7 Local Results Instead of the 10 Pack - Red Cardinalhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-6647 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:27:55 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-6647 [...] wrote about the various Google local display types in my post How To Rank in Google Local, and I also looked at the result for [pizza dublin] at that time. Interesting to see that Apache [...]

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By: Thomashttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-6433 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:04:16 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-6433 Thanks for this clear article! I was just wondering how to rank better in the local results block, since it was recently added for my main target keyword.

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-6009 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:01:31 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-6009 Hi Mike

Sorry for not responding sooner. It does seem that Auth OneBox is heavily connected to ranking for the related keyword in regular search. Don’t see too many of these however, and it’s difficult to gauge.

Thanks for dropping by
Richard

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By: New Google Sitelinks for Related Forum Threads, for Site Ranked #3 - Red Cardinalhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-5990 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:31:51 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-5990 [...] above SERP showed an authoritative local OneBox (learn about local OneBox in my Google Local rankings post), followed by a site at #1 and again indented at #2, and then a thread from http://www.boards.ie holding [...]

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By: Mike Ramseyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-5214 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:43:41 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-5214 @Richard

I think you are very right. It seems that organic seo matters really come in for determining a onebox. For instance…Location+Keyword external links pointing to your site associated with the LBC. I think that is about the only way google and really brand you for a location based keyword.

What I am trying to figure out is how to knock a onebox down after it is established…

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-5200 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:29:32 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-5200 Hi Mike

Thanks for your comment, and good to know. I’ve heard that there is a threshold for number of reviews before they show the stars, but not much about negative/positive reviews (as you mention). I know they are doing a lot of work on sentiment analysis, but that’s a long way off.

Authoritative one-box seems to be more related to brands (or the signals Google relies on to determine “brands”). From what I’ve seen you have to be authoritative for the keyword searched, or at least authoritative relevant to any geographic modifiers (as in the case I gave above).

Thanks for dropping by and giving your time to comment.
Rgds
Richard

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By: Mike Ramseyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-5198 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:43:38 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-5198 Reviews- They will boost your listing based on the number of them (have a lot), not your actual star rating. Having a good reviews simply helps CTR.

Have you found more info on the authoritative one-box?

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By: matiseohttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-4318 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:26:31 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-4318 Great post, im having the problem with local bussines map position and still digging how to get there. Your clues are very usefull though, thx

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By: adminhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-3513 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:40:54 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-3513 Hi Tanay

I believe that reviews can come into the rankings, but it’s a bit of a black-box sadly, so no one really knows how reviews affect rankings. Good luck with your quest.

Thanks for dropping by
Richard

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By: Tanay Jaipuriahttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-3468 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:52:55 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-3468 Awesome post! I am trying to rank for “web design mumbai”. What I noticed in the LBL, was that nearly 7 to 8 of the companies on the listings had a large number of reviews.

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2710 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:03:11 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2710 Hi Mary

Glad this helped you.

Hi Chris

You’ll get results from this far quicker than you would organic search. Although competition in your niche will determine how easy or not it is to rank for your desired keywords.

Hope this helps
Richard

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By: Chrishttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2696 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:17:18 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2696 Excellent and informative article there. I just have a quick question. How soon are people getting listed once they have signed up? Are results more immediate than tinkering with organic serch rankings?
All the best.

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By: Maryhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2687 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:03:32 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2687 Hi!!

Thanks a million for this it has being a difficult process to follow and these tips are making it a lot easier much appreciated from myself and TravelHQR.
Cheers!

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By: Irish Internet Marketing Blogs Round Up | Online Advertisinghttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2686 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:12:32 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2686 [...] Richard Hearne of Red Cardinal has authoured a very comprehensive post on Google’s local business listings. [...]

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2693 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:03:02 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2693 Hi Alyce

I’m not sure if the results will be as you desire when you use the same main number for each location (due to anti-spam measures). But I’m not 100% sure about this. I’d advise you head over to the Google Maps Support Group and see if you can find out more there.

The only other thing you could try is to update one or two of the main numbers to see if this has the desired effect. Sorry I cant help more with this.

Rgds
Richard

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By: Alycehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2711 Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:47:23 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2711 Hi Richard,

Each listing has a different mobile number but due our business being 1300TempFence we want our main 1300 number to be displayed.

Yes, some of our listings show the main number, some show the mobile number but they all have the 1300 number as the main.

It’s quite strange.

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By: robert coylehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2692 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:03:50 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2692 A great post. I agree THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING. My aggregators are going to be very upset with me :(

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2691 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:43:05 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2691 Hi Alyce

I’m not sure, but they may require a different phone number for each location. How did you verify these listings? I presume by SMS?

When you say “it sometimes only shows the mobile/cell number and not our main 1300 number” do you mean that some locations show mobile, some main number, or that this varies across searches for the same location?

Rgds
Richard

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By: Alyce Joneshttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2700 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:25:37 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2700 Hi Richard,

I have uploaded 9 of our branches (different locations across australia) to the local business search. I put our 1300 Number as the main number and then entered a mobile/cell number also.

When viewing these in the local business search, it sometimes only shows the mobile/cell number and not our main 1300 number.

Do you have any idea about how to fix this?

Alyce

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2707 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:18:40 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2707 Hey Kieran

Glad you found the answer to your question. I’ve found that the correlation between ranking well for a term in regular SERPs and local results is a little tenuous. For some search terms it seems that anchor text plays a big role, while for others it does not.

Glad you’re getting some use from local business listings!

Rgds, and thanks for dropping by,
Richard

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By: Kieran Dalyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2708 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:03:33 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2708 I answered my onw question above sorry. I was looking on google.com instead of google.ie. I am now showing up nicely on the loca listing for certain search terms in my niche so very pleased with that. I suspect Google will become more stringent with how they ad people to it soon however.

But overall nice gain for a relatively small effort. I have done if for one customer as well and they are jumping in the air with happiness at the result.

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By: Kieran Dalyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2709 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:58:14 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2709 Excellent post – will revisit again a few times as there is a lot of info to digest and learn from.

Just finished following these steps for my own site. I will deffo keep handy for future sites I design.

One thing I do not understand, what actually drives the local listing to appear. I think it appears sometimes and other times it doesn’t for the same search times – Am I right?. I guess to add to my question if you were already ranking for your keywords on first page of Google (which I am today (could all change tomorrow of course) would setting up the local directory option push me up to top of the page?

Kieran

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2688 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:45:42 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2688 Hey Kieran

Thanks for dropping by again. Check out [locksmith london] or [escort london] for some nice spam also ;)

I think that they do respond to the map spam reports quickly enough.

Rgds
Richard

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By: Kieranhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2697 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:40:51 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2697 hey richard, great post, if you wanna see how spammy this can get, check out “lock smith new york” in google.com. Not sure if it’s been cleaned up but an SEO guy had the same place ranking in all 10 listings …

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2695 Fri, 29 May 2009 08:57:26 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2695 Hi David

Your signature pushed my boundaries a bit so I updated. Hey, you still get the link. There’s a lot of spam for sure on local maps, but if you report spam I think they will remove it. I doubt payment options are considered with ranking, and as you say location seems to be a big factor.

Thanks for dropping by
Richard

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By: Davidhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2694 Fri, 29 May 2009 00:43:26 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2694 Thanks Richard,

I put a lot of effort into getting reviews, including writing to many of my clients but the nature of the maps listing seems to be very heavily weighted towards geographic centre, which makes it tricky if your postcode is not city centre. So now I see that all I have to do is move premises :)

I had previously got the impression that payment options might affect ranking, as they are considered a sign of professionalism or trust. I could be wrong.

I have noticed that some companies will place 2 maps listings, thus forcing off 1 or more competitor from the box. I wonder if Google will clamp down on this?

Keep up the good work. It’s a bit foggy out there in Google Maps land.

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2690 Wed, 27 May 2009 09:50:21 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2690 Hey Guy

The only reason why I doubt they penalise for not using your business name is that they have no way to know what the correct business name is. And algorithmically it would be very difficult to detect. Also have a look at [escorts london] and you’ll see that none of those sites seem to be suffering ;)

I did get called out by Google for the business name I originally used. I changed it back to my limited company name and this didn’t seem to hurt much.

Thanks for dropping by, rgds
Richard

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By: Guyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2698 Wed, 27 May 2009 07:03:33 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2698 Awesome post!

I recently wrote a little blurb about Google local search as well. I’ve noticed one thing… I could be completely wrong on this but it seems the local search docks you points for not using your company name. I’m currently testing: company name – keywords to see how that works out.

Thanks!

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2699 Wed, 27 May 2009 05:32:41 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2699 @Stuart – I think Google balance things generally, and if they find that the user experience is damaged they tend to roll back changes. That said Local search is the “wild west” currently, and there is lots of spam.

@Mark – Ta. So I presume all locations are verified ;)

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By: Mark Stanleyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2701 Tue, 26 May 2009 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2701 Great post Richard. Lots of opportunity here for the early adopters as always.

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By: Stuart Chaneyhttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2702 Tue, 26 May 2009 14:18:43 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2702 Hi Richard, Great post, i also noticed this a few days ago. I had been playing around with a web design website I had built for SEO training about a year ago and had added it to the business center around then.

So I dusted off the analytics for the site and found it sitting comfy at the top for a hugely competitive keyword. Im sure this is a step backwards in terms of Google returning the best search results possible for searchers.

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By: Richard Hearnehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2703 Tue, 26 May 2009 09:00:39 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2703 Glad it was helpful Keith.

Rgds
Richard

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By: Google Local Business Search for Ireland « Tom Doylehttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2704 Tue, 26 May 2009 08:21:58 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2704 [...] I would highly recommend that you visit his website for more information on Google Local Business Center and how you can get your business listed – Click here read the article >> [...]

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By: keith bohannahttp://www.redcardinal.ie/geotargeting/25-05-2009/google-how-to-rank-google-local-search-ireland/#comment-2706 Mon, 25 May 2009 16:09:57 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/?p=794#comment-2706 Cheers Richard – done for the consultancy. Nice simple guidelines above.

keith

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