Comments on: Praxis Now, PageRank and SERPs http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/ Search Engine Optimisation Ireland Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:48:12 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Richard Hearne http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-31 Richard Hearne Sun, 25 May 2008 15:24:26 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-31 Hi Edwin Interesting observation. Dont pay very much attention to PRs in general, but the fact that they rank well may also be tied to site authority, which in and of itself may not be completely reliant on PR but also other factors related to the domain. Thanks for dropping by. Rgds Richard Hi Edwin

Interesting observation. Dont pay very much attention to PRs in general, but the fact that they rank well may also be tied to site authority, which in and of itself may not be completely reliant on PR but also other factors related to the domain.

Thanks for dropping by.
Rgds
Richard

]]> By: edwin http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-33 edwin Fri, 23 May 2008 17:14:33 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-33 There is a good way to test the relevance of pagerank for serp's, check out new press releases for fresh non-competitive keywords, you'll see that only high PR newssites will rank on the first page.. The debate on pagerank relevance is still a very hot topic.. greetings Edwin There is a good way to test the relevance of pagerank for serp’s, check out new press releases for fresh non-competitive keywords, you’ll see that only high PR newssites will rank on the first page..
The debate on pagerank relevance is still a very hot topic..
greetings Edwin

]]> By: John http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-26 John Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:08:00 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-26 Thanks Richard I think it would be great if this became commonly known as it may prvent people from wasting their time posting on forums just to insert their link and result in the number of posts on a site being far more relative to the subject and helpful to fellow users than is often the case. Again thanks, I cant promise I wont come back to reread these posts and ask some more as I found it helpful (: John Thanks Richard
I think it would be great if this became commonly known as it may prvent people from wasting their time posting on forums just to insert their link and result in the number of posts on a site being far more relative to the subject and helpful to fellow users than is often the case.
Again thanks, I cant promise I wont come back to reread these posts and ask some more as I found it helpful (:
John

]]> By: Richard Hearne http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-27 Richard Hearne Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:57:34 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-27 Very old post. Answer is no - absolutely no qualitative component to PR. It was simply a measure of how popular a web page/site was based on the number of sites linking to it. There was never an intention to infer anything about the linking sites. But you are quite right about deception. Google have been quietly degrading the quality or the reporting for toolbar PR. I know this for sure even after disreagrding the recent penalties they've been hading out. Rgds Richard Very old post. Answer is no – absolutely no qualitative component to PR. It was simply a measure of how popular a web page/site was based on the number of sites linking to it. There was never an intention to infer anything about the linking sites.

But you are quite right about deception. Google have been quietly degrading the quality or the reporting for toolbar PR. I know this for sure even after disreagrding the recent penalties they’ve been hading out.

Rgds
Richard

]]> By: John ONeill http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-29 John ONeill Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:33:48 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-29 OK,I know this is an old post and I am revisiting an issue you may have answered previously but I just dont get the whole page rank thing. If it is just quantitive (and I accept this as I wouldnt bother posting if I didnt take your answers as authoritive) what is the point of page rank. I wont mention my website in this post (I did previously) but if I scoured the web looking for places to post it, this would add no value to user experience on my site or services offerd. Has page rank become the worst type of deception possible, self deception, people posting links to their site to add a bit of green to the pr bar or is there some quality to be found in page rank? Thanks John OK,I know this is an old post and I am revisiting an issue you may have answered previously but I just dont get the whole page rank thing. If it is just quantitive (and I accept this as I wouldnt bother posting if I didnt take your answers as authoritive) what is the point of page rank. I wont mention my website in this post (I did previously) but if I scoured the web looking for places to post it, this would add no value to user experience on my site or services offerd. Has page rank become the worst type of deception possible, self deception, people posting links to their site to add a bit of green to the pr bar or is there some quality to be found in page rank?
Thanks
John

]]> By: Richard Hearne http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-30 Richard Hearne Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:01:16 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-30 Thanks for dropping by Roy It's always great when clients compliment their suppliers. I'm sure John will be delighted that you took the time to post here. As per the drop - yes there can be some luck, but the algo doesn't include any luck when it comes to who goes where on each SERP. Best rgds Richard Thanks for dropping by Roy

It’s always great when clients compliment their suppliers. I’m sure John will be delighted that you took the time to post here.

As per the drop – yes there can be some luck, but the algo doesn’t include any luck when it comes to who goes where on each SERP.

Best rgds
Richard

]]> By: Roy lalor http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-28 Roy lalor Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:43:36 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-28 I greatly enjoyed the Praxisnow seminars and as a non techie learned a lot. I do our seo. Last week our website showed up No 1 in first aid training on google but this week we dropped to three and then four. A lot of it seems to be, to me at least, luck. Roy Lalor LTS First Aid Specialists www.lalortraining.ie I greatly enjoyed the Praxisnow seminars and as a non techie learned a lot. I do our seo.
Last week our website showed up No 1 in first aid training on google but this week we dropped to three and then four.
A lot of it seems to be, to me at least, luck.

Roy Lalor
LTS First Aid Specialists
www.lalortraining.ie

]]> By: Richard Hearne http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-23 Richard Hearne Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:09:54 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-23 I think this is one of the great misunderstandings about Pagerank. PR contains no qualitative element - it is purely quantitative in that it is a measure of the external links pointing at a site. It doesn't qualify where those links come from, so I could have a high PR site that gets all PR from completely unrelated websites. PR was intended to power their original algo. The PR we see was most probably created to power the install number of their toolbar which gathers mountains of data for Google for free. This latter point is purely an opinion :grin: Best rgds Richard I think this is one of the great misunderstandings about Pagerank. PR contains no qualitative element – it is purely quantitative in that it is a measure of the external links pointing at a site. It doesn’t qualify where those links come from, so I could have a high PR site that gets all PR from completely unrelated websites.

PR was intended to power their original algo. The PR we see was most probably created to power the install number of their toolbar which gathers mountains of data for Google for free. This latter point is purely an opinion :grin:

Best rgds
Richard

]]> By: John ONeill http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-24 John ONeill Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:41:33 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-24 "If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr is significant." ok, that is incorrect but "If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr may be significant." should be acceptable? If not, what if any is the relevance of page rank. It is surely intended to be useful to the general public. I'm not claiming to know the answer Richard but I would like to know and suspect I'm not too far wrong. Thanks John “If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr is significant.”

ok, that is incorrect but “If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr may be significant.”

should be acceptable? If not, what if any is the relevance of page rank. It is surely intended to be useful to the general public. I’m not claiming to know the answer Richard but I would like to know and suspect I’m not too far wrong.
Thanks
John

]]> By: Richard Hearne http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-22 Richard Hearne Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:53:04 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-22 This is a very old post John. But the PR debate just goes on and on... <blockquote>If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr is significant.</blockquote> Absolutely not IMO. PR has no qualitative variables in it's formulation. And the other point to bear in mind is that Toolbar Pagerank (TBPR) that we see in our Google Toolbars bears little or no relation to the real-time PR that Google calculates. If anything it is nothing now but eye-candy. Of course, all the above IMHO. Thanks for posting John, Rgds Richard This is a very old post John. But the PR debate just goes on and on…

If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr is significant.

Absolutely not IMO. PR has no qualitative variables in it’s formulation.

And the other point to bear in mind is that Toolbar Pagerank (TBPR) that we see in our Google Toolbars bears little or no relation to the real-time PR that Google calculates. If anything it is nothing now but eye-candy.

Of course, all the above IMHO.

Thanks for posting John,
Rgds
Richard

]]> By: John ONeill http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-25 John ONeill Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:22:04 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-25 I think everyone is in agreement here on the main issue as to the relevance of page rank. To elaborate further, page rank stems from the google founders university background and the wish to benchmark the credibility of a source. You may therefore have a pr1 and be position 1 for particular search terms. PR is supposed to be a guide as to the likely credibility of the site based on inbound links and the lenght of time the site is up. It is not always correct and google dont claim it is. So, if you are buying a bbq in dublin, the pr of the site is of little importance. If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr is significant. Our site www.backupanytime.com recently went from pr 3 to pr 4 and I dont think it will make a world of difference to us. That said, it is no harm to have a reasonable pr and we will strive to increase it through the correct channels while remaining aware that search engine position is more important. John I think everyone is in agreement here on the main issue as to the relevance of page rank. To elaborate further, page rank stems from the google founders university background and the wish to benchmark the credibility of a source. You may therefore have a pr1 and be position 1 for particular search terms. PR is supposed to be a guide as to the likely credibility of the site based on inbound links and the lenght of time the site is up. It is not always correct and google dont claim it is. So, if you are buying a bbq in dublin, the pr of the site is of little importance. If you are seeking professional legal advice or a University placement, then pr is significant. Our site www.backupanytime.com recently went from pr 3 to pr 4 and I dont think it will make a world of difference to us. That said, it is no harm to have a reasonable pr and we will strive to increase it through the correct channels while remaining aware that search engine position is more important.

John

]]> By: Richard http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-21 Richard Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:53:52 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-21 Hi John Thank you for the comment. Yes 'bbq dublin' may have a low number of searches but the keyphrase is highly targeted and delivers relevant visitors to their site. That keyphrase (and some associated derviatives) has resulted in about 2 visits per week, a number of which have been converted to sales. The point I was trying to make was that having good PR doesn't necessarily generate profit for any web property or its offline owner. I felt your article was making too much of the link between a sites PR and its performance in the SERPs. Obviously for very competitive terms PR becomes a more important issue. But that said, I would rather have low PR and come #1 in the SERPs for targeted relevant keyphrases than have high PR and poor SERPs (it happens). The number of searches performed per day is not easy to determine. I believe Google has more than the lion's share of all searches carried out in Ireland. Google does not make search information publicly available (excepting Google Trends). You can easily see Overture data but I dont think too many people are using their properties for Irish search. My reference to engineer was my (obviously failed) attempt at self-deprication. My apology if it misleads. Best of luck with the new venture. Hi John

Thank you for the comment. Yes ‘bbq dublin’ may have a low number of searches but the keyphrase is highly targeted and delivers relevant visitors to their site. That keyphrase (and some associated derviatives) has resulted in about 2 visits per week, a number of which have been converted to sales.

The point I was trying to make was that having good PR doesn’t necessarily generate profit for any web property or its offline owner. I felt your article was making too much of the link between a sites PR and its performance in the SERPs.

Obviously for very competitive terms PR becomes a more important issue. But that said, I would rather have low PR and come #1 in the SERPs for targeted relevant keyphrases than have high PR and poor SERPs (it happens).

The number of searches performed per day is not easy to determine. I believe Google has more than the lion’s share of all searches carried out in Ireland. Google does not make search information publicly available (excepting Google Trends). You can easily see Overture data but I dont think too many people are using their properties for Irish search.

My reference to engineer was my (obviously failed) attempt at self-deprication. My apology if it misleads.

Best of luck with the new venture.

]]> By: John Coburn http://www.redcardinal.ie/marketing/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-20 John Coburn Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:00:19 +0000 http://www.redcardinal.ie/seo/25-07-2006/praxis-now-pagerank-and-serps/#comment-20 Hi Richard. Your comments are interesting, in some cases correct, in others somewhat misleading. PraxisNow is a new company and has not been in existance long enough to build the inbound links that would yield a pagerank higher than 2. Your comments re the significance of pagerank is search engine placement are correct. The original press release, when submitted, used the words, "one of the factors" which was ommited in whatever publication you read. We certainly never used the term "engineer" either (not sure what article you read?). BTW, "bbq Dublin" has miniscule search volumes (use your tools to check this). You should point out that it extremely easy to get #1 search placement against non-competitive terms such as this. In fact, Pagerank becomes increasingly important the more competitive a search term is. Kind regards. John Hi Richard. Your comments are interesting, in some cases correct, in others somewhat misleading. PraxisNow is a new company and has not been in existance long enough to build the inbound links that would yield a pagerank higher than 2. Your comments re the significance of pagerank is search engine placement are correct. The original press release, when submitted, used the words, “one of the factors” which was ommited in whatever publication you read. We certainly never used the term “engineer” either (not sure what article you read?).

BTW, “bbq Dublin” has miniscule search volumes (use your tools to check this). You should point out that it extremely easy to get #1 search placement against non-competitive terms such as this. In fact, Pagerank becomes increasingly important the more competitive a search term is. Kind regards. John

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