Comments on: entertainment.ie – Exploring the Pitflls of Site Redesigns

By: jason

jason — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:36:05 +0000

Seems to work for me? also 301′s over to www.

By: glengara

glengara — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:20:27 +0000

Looks like they need to 301 the non www version rather than 404 it…

By: Richard Hearne

Richard Hearne — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:03:16 +0000

Nice find Stephen.

If you want to have another good laugh at site redesigns – http://www.loadzajobs.ie/

That deserves a post all to itself

Rgds
Richard

By: glengara

glengara — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:56:39 +0000

There seems to be a 301/404 conflict, I looked randomly at a cached page -

http://www.entertainment.ie/reviews/usersreview.asp?ID=2082&ReviewID=5073&subcat=Film&ShowCine=0 and a header check on that page gives me:

#1 Server Response: http://www.entertainment.ie/reviews/usersreview.asp?ID=2082&ReviewID=5073&subcat=Film&ShowCine=0
HTTP Status Code: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently

#2 Server Response: http://entertainment.ie/reviews/usersreview.asp
HTTP Status Code: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

By: Richard Hearne

Richard Hearne — Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:06:48 +0000

Michele – Nope, not a thing.

By: Michele

Michele — Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:26:31 +0000

Richard
Did you make some changes on your end? Though I read this article a few days ago it’s suddenly reappeared as “new”

Michele

By: Richard Hearne

Richard Hearne — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:08:37 +0000

Hi Diarmaid

Thanks for dropping by. I can assure you that the old site category links were dropping me on 404 pages when I wrote this.

It is quite normal for your homepage to be refreshed in the cache most frequently. In fact if your homepage hadn’t been udated quickly in the cache I’d be worried.

I don’t have any of your old URLs from the previous cache to test any longer – sorry. But I am quite sure that the page URLs did change. Did you previously use file extensions (.asp/.htm)?

There were no redirects on the few pages that I tested (perhaps your developers read my blog ).

Thanks for commenting, rgds
Richard

By: Diarmaid Mac Aonghusa

Diarmaid Mac Aonghusa — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:22:02 +0000

Hi
Your analysis does not seem to match with what I’m seeing. I checked Google’s cache within 12 hours of the new site launch and found the new homepage had already been indexed. Since then a more comprehensive crawl has been done and all new pages seem to be there. As for the structure the vast majority of the URLs have remained exactly the same and I have not seen any 404s – but if any are found please post them! All the cinema listings pages, TV station listings, reviews etc have the same URLs as before. Events have had theirs improved to include categories and venues but since the events are only on the site for a few weeks they are not as important as the other URLs (and the old URL structure has been coded to redirect to the new structure).
The site #1 for “cinema ireland” and #2 for “TV Ireland” (after RTE) so the rankings seem to be doing OK.

By: CMS

CMS — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:15:40 +0000

The new layout is much pretty good than the old one. The new design is good but need to change the colors used on it, it distracts the user’s eyes. But I like the simple flash ads that enhanced the user online experience. Yeah I agree, the Events link could be a blackhat seo technique which is not good.

By: Richard Hearne

Richard Hearne — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:50:41 +0000

Funny – I think this is an improvement over their previous site.

@Chris – glad to see someone else agrees with me. The guys over at creativeireland were none too positive.

@Donncha – very unlikely to have any positive effects on rankings… whoever came up with that tactic really doesn’t know what they’re at.

Rgds
Richard

By: Donncha O Caoimh

Donncha O Caoimh — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:51:53 +0000

I would say that Events link could be a blackhat (or at least greyhat) seo technique. That sitemap has lots of juicy keywords in those links. “Saturdays at Gorbys”?

When the Sunday Times revamped their website they broke all their old URLs. Bloody annoying as I had linked to several articles in the archives.

By: Chris

Chris — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:22:30 +0000

I have to say that I really like the new design and layout of this one. The flash ads on the old version always seemed a little out of place but with the new design they integrate much better. All in all I think the layout seems to fit nicely together and the navigation is pretty good.

By: David Behan

David Behan — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:30:52 +0000

I have to say that I’m not too fond of the new site either. There’s a discussion over on CI about it too [link below]. The home page is too busy. Looking at it I remember the presentation by Eoghan McCabe at Bar Camp in Dublin where he showed an example of how the eye moves around a page and distracts the user. My eyes seem to hopping all over the page and not focusing on anything in particular. What happened to the rule of thirds? I’ll still use the site as the content is good but I think more could have been done with the content layout and styling.

Surprised they haven’t handled legacy pages correctly. I have to do that for a redesign I’m launching next week. It’s not that difficult to implement.

Anyway, rant over!

CI Link: http://www.creativeireland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=152952

By: Ciaran

Ciaran — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:50:04 +0000

I haven’t seen any on TV either but they are running ads on the sides of buses and possibley billboards (Can’t remember) here in Dublin.

By: Michele

Michele — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:26:27 +0000

Richard – there’s a couple of ads on youtube, though I haven’t seen them on TV

I’m not that taken with the new design. The main page is a bit too chaotic

By: Richard Hearne

Richard Hearne — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:30:29 +0000

@Ciaran – I haven’t heard/seen any of their advertising as I’m busy enjoying the Asian sunshine

@Cormac – all I know is that the old URLs pump out fat big 404 errors. My guess is they are doing SEO in-house, or it’s the design shop. The real shame is that they could probably increase their impressions substantially by investing some money in good SEO. Just look at the NYT recently in the news…

Rgds
Richard

By: cormac

cormac — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:24:01 +0000

There is very little point in redesigning something if you can’t implement the design properly. Have they completely changed their URL structure? Seems bizarre.

And didn’t they just introduce a sitemap rather than the crap at eventlist.htm ?

By: Ciaran

Ciaran — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:51:30 +0000

Yea the new design looks great, the must have got a injection of cash with all the offline advertising they are doing right now.

The event list link seams to just be a badly structured sitemap, so why they didn’t just do it right and avoid any gray areas I don’t know.